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Offline vintagebug  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2009 22:23:19(UTC)
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Ok, here goes:-

I realise this may have been discussed before somewhere on here (apologies if it has), but I'm looking for a rhs front wing for my '56 (& maybe a lhs one too) & I need to know what a genuine one looks like compared to a repro or a post-Oval one. I've read loads of discussions about the differences on various forums and there seems to be conflicting info, so much so that I'm now more confused than ever! Confused

I know that a genuine Oval front wing has the metal conduit for the wiring (or at least it has the hole in the bottom of the headlight bucket for it, as it might have rusted off) and maybe should also flare out at the bottom where it meets the running board. As I don't have a genuine Oval wing & a later one to put side-by-side to compare them with my own eyes can anyone enlighten me on any other differences?

And if anyone out there in pre67vw-land has a good condition genuine Oval front wing for sale can you let me know? Btw I'm looking for a lhs rear one as well! I promise you they'd be going to a good home! Thanks... BigGrin
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#2 Posted : 08 January 2009 13:32:40(UTC)
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Hi,
This is the info I've managed to pick up and understand to be about right...

All the European Oval front wings (including Small window up to '59) have the pronounced step where they meet the running board, metal tubes for the headlight wiring at the base of the headlight bucket and no holes for indicators on the top. They are wider and deeper than the later wings, which have the rubber wiring tube. However, the profile of the outer edge changes slightly from year to year.

The shape of the headlight bucket is the easiest way to tell the approximate age:

54 to 55 - (Early Oval) Completely smooth back to the headlight bucket
56 to 57 - (Late Oval) Slightly Angled back to the headlight bucket
58 to 59 - (Early Small Window) Angled back to the headlight but with the addition of two vertical ridges in the pressing.

Martin (55Kab) has been trying to identify the correct wings for his early Cabrio and has posted lots of pictures of various wings over on Restowagen.com
and I hope he won't mind me reposting some of them here?

See the pictures below:

BigGrin



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Offline VW Stan  
#3 Posted : 08 January 2009 13:33:19(UTC)
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54 to 55 Early oval...


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#4 Posted : 08 January 2009 13:36:00(UTC)
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#5 Posted : 08 January 2009 13:38:45(UTC)
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58 to 59 Early Small Window...


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#6 Posted : 08 January 2009 13:41:10(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 08 January 2009 15:08:41(UTC)
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The main visible and essential detail is the flat step at the back of the wing where it meets the running board.
No, early square window front wings up to 59 do not have this flat step anymore although they do have the wiring tube
going to the headlamp cup.
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#8 Posted : 08 January 2009 16:27:33(UTC)
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48REME wrote:
The main visible and essential detail is the flat step at the back of the wing where it meets the running board.
No, early square window front wings up to 59 do not have this flat step anymore although they do have the wiring tube
going to the headlamp cup.


Hi Nicholas,
Happy New Year!
My '58 (built Aug '57) still has the step at the back (like on this pic), but I haven't taken a headlight out to check what the bowl's like yet!

Anyone got an original '59 wing with a step?
Or did it loose the step sometime in '58?

M BigGrin

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#9 Posted : 08 January 2009 19:38:21(UTC)
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No problem posting my pics, saved me the job!Wink

Just to confirm, that 58-59 blue wing with the patina also has the running board kick-off.
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#10 Posted : 08 January 2009 19:47:48(UTC)
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Is that Malcolm? How did you manage to change from six-o-one?! I couldn't get rid of my 48 REME even though it's inappropriate now!
Anyway...Happy New Year to you too! I think you're right, the step must have disappeared around 58 then. Maybe the first early square windows of 1957
still had specifications from the oval era. Enclosed are pics of my original wings on my 59. You can just about notice the lack of step...Wink
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#11 Posted : 09 January 2009 09:16:08(UTC)
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Original wings on my '59 (Nov '58 car):
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Another pair of wings I have from a UK '59:
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And another wing from a UK '58 or '59:
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#12 Posted : 09 January 2009 09:47:06(UTC)
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Hi Rich,
So it looks like they lost the step either for the '59 model at the end of July, or sometime earlier in '58

Anyone know of a July '58 with original wings!

BigGrin

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#13 Posted : 10 January 2009 16:05:07(UTC)
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Guys,

Thanks for all the info & pics, I think I'm making a bit of headway in understanding the differences to the front wings over the years. If I pick you up right, the general concensus (so far!), wrt Oval wings is:

1. All Oval wings (& up to '59) have the metal wiring tube.

2. Pre Aug '55 Oval wings are completely smooth at the back of the headlight bowl, 56-57 ones are slightly angled back & 57 on also have two short vertical ridges in the pressing at the back of the headlight bowl.

3. The earlier the wing the wider & deeper it is- does anyone know whereabouts on the wing the width varies? ie where would you measure to find the differences and what are the dimensions?

Numbers 1 & 2 above are easier to see, I think number 3 would be almost impossible to see when looking at pics on the internet. I would really need an early & a later wing side-by-side before I could tell the difference in width & shape. This'll make it harder for me to get it right if I find a front wing for sale on the internet! RollEyes

Does anyone know of any good condition late Oval front wings for sale? And a lhs rear one too. They're about the last of the major body panels I need to find for my '56... then I can think about getting the bodywork done!

BigGrin
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#14 Posted : 10 January 2009 17:09:16(UTC)
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vintagebug wrote:
1. All Oval wings (& up to '59) have the metal wiring tube.



'59s have the metal wiring tube too.
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#15 Posted : 10 January 2009 17:28:19(UTC)
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VW Stan wrote:


Anyone know of a July '58 with original wings!

BigGrin




Hi Malcom, take it 601 has a new homeCrying what are your plans now?

Mine was built on the 7th July 58 and does have the step, looking like the change was for 59 year.



Hapy new year

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Offline VW Stan  
#16 Posted : 11 January 2009 16:07:47(UTC)
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harveypj wrote:



Hi Malcom, take it 601 has a new homeCrying what are your plans now?

Mine was built on the 7th July 58 and does have the step, looking like the change was for 59 year.



Hapy new year


Hi Peter,
Plans for this year are to try and finish my '72 Bay an see if I can get the '58 running and drivable.

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