Standard split
2009-05-11T12:17:03Z
These are a bit of an unknown territory to me being a Standard model Split-window collector – cable brake cars.

I've now added a Deluxe model Split-window to my collection :shock:

It has stood over 12 years and the brakes are completely non-existent, all hydraulic fluid gone.

Where's the best place to start? Hoses, pipes etc all seem okay. I've put brake fluid into the reservoir and pumped the pedal but the fluid does not go down into the system :?

Presumably I need to open a connection at a wheel cylinder to let the air escape and allow the fluid in :?:

I know that once the fluid goes through I'm going to have to bleed the whole system to remove all the air.

Someone out there been in this situation :?:



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54 Gertie
2009-05-11T12:35:29Z
I assume you have the bleed screw loosened at the corner that you are working on?


William
Standard split
2009-05-11T12:46:28Z
Not down that far yet Gertie :arrow:

Got to get the juice into and through the master cylinder :arrow:

But maybe I just need to open the system at any any of the wheel cylinders to get the fluid running, and just repeat the same for the other three 😮

I'll then find out where all the jammed cylinders, split hoses and rotting seals are :?

None of this with Standards 😎



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54 Gertie
2009-05-11T12:52:50Z
Standard split wrote:

Not down that far yet Gertie :arrow:

Got to get the juice into and through the master cylinder :arrow:

But maybe I just need to open the system at any any of the wheel cylinders to get the fluid running, andr just repeat the same for the other three 😮

None of this with Standards 😎



Yes, thats what I mean! :wink:

Relieve the pressure behind the master cylinder by opening up a bleed screw on any corner.

Otherwise where can the fluid go?


William
Standard split
2009-05-11T12:55:34Z
Great – so easy, a problem shared is a problem halved :wink:

Guess what I'll be doing this Sunday :!:


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54 Gertie
2009-05-11T13:02:12Z
Standard split wrote:

Great – so easy, a problem shared is a problem halved :wink:

Guess what I'll be doing this Sunday :!:



Selling that and buying a standard? :wink:

Make sure its good and dull.....:lol:
William
pre67vw
2009-05-11T13:07:35Z
If I were you I'd consider replacing/rebuilding the master cylinder and wheel cylinders. The rubber in these can perish over time and with single circuit brakes if you have one leak anywhere then you lose all your brakes :shock:

Any photos? 😎
Rob Amos
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Standard split
2009-05-11T13:10:39Z
54 Gertie wrote:



Selling that and buying a standard? :wink:

Make sure its good and dull.....:lol:



No its for keeps – not into 'flipping' :wink:

It is shiny though, but then its a Deluxe :twisted:



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Standard split
2009-05-11T14:16:19Z
pre67vw wrote:

If I were you I'd consider replacing/rebuilding the master cylinder and wheel cylinders. The rubber in these can perish over time and with single circuit brakes if you have one leak anywhere then you lose all your brakes :shock:

Any photos? 😎




That's what I'm expecting. Having said that my ratty '58 has hydraulics and with just a rare top-up, I've not touched them for years and they're fine :wink:

Rather have full cables though 😎

Have to get some plates before the photos – but it is shiny. Now, where's the fine grade wet 'n dry paper:evil:



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Sunroof53
2009-05-11T14:53:28Z
From experience i would start by taking the master cylinder out and remove the pistons for cleaning or just buy a new one if there is any rust inside.The fact it had no fluid in it means there will be rust formed in the system.At the very least change all the flexible hoses and either change or strip down and check all the wheel cylinder rubbers .Cylinders are so cheap for later cars i personally dont think it makes senses to rebuild them.Check the shoes also for contamination .It may seem like a lot of work but i gaurentee if you dont go through it all it will cost you later in one way or another.

Mike
54 Gertie
2009-05-11T15:01:52Z
Standard split wrote:



Now, where's the fine grade wet 'n dry paper:evil:



:shock: :lol:


Its a deluxe, its allowed to be shiny! :wink:

What colour?


William
Standard split
2009-05-11T18:35:24Z
54 Gertie wrote:


:shock: :lol:

Its a deluxe, its allowed to be shiny! :wink:



1 gallon of semi-matt Jupiter Grey to be ordered from the paint suppliers………:lol:

I know that a full check over is the way to go Mike…… I'm just itching to give her a run I must admit :twisted:

A try-out and then a strip-down of the system will be the order of the day :wink:



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overrestored
2009-05-12T03:28:51Z
If it has been many years as you suggest... I would:

1- open up all the wheel cylinders and strip them down to nothing... remove everything
2- if they don't have any corrosion in the cylinder chamber then blast all the crap off of them and paint them black if you like. (don't get any paint where the brake fluid will live)
(if they are corroded... even a little... then throw them in the trash buy new ones)
3-if they are not corroded then hone them with a special little honing tool you put on your electric drill.
4- install rebuild kit bits and put them back together
5-Clean up the adjusting stars with a wire wheel... grease them with some white grease before re-installing.
6-Replace ALL flexible lines
7- If there is ANY rust in any of the hard lines I would replace them too. I have had "blowouts" of hard lines twice (usually in the long line that goes front to rear)
8- buy the little rubber caps that go on the bleeding valve tips... to keep out crud and water... manually bend the little keepers that hold the stars back where they are supposed to be... so that they actually hold the stars rather than let them spin.

Read the manual on bleeding brakes.... you'll need a friend to help.

1234 applies to master too...

The little hone tool is usually available at most auto parts places.
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Standard split
2009-05-12T08:39:14Z
That's thorough overrestored :!:

All this hydraulic stuff certainly makes me pleased that most of my VWs are Standard cable brake cars :beer:

Hydraulic for daily drivers – cable for collectors, occasional use.

My 1949 split has stood for best part of 23 years – the cable brakes work fine 😎



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48REME
2009-05-12T11:20:56Z
John, can we see pics of your new purchase?:wink:
Standard split
2009-05-12T11:35:46Z
48REME wrote:

John, can we see pics of your new purchase?:wink:



Need to get the number plates for my new Jewell first, and then its out in the sun with the 'Brillo' pads and camera :lol:
All that shiny paint will cause 'lens flare' :twisted:



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54 Gertie
2009-05-12T12:01:56Z
Standard split wrote:



Need to get the number plates for my new Jewell first,




And when will that be? :?: You cant keep us waiting forever! :roll: :lol:
William
Standard split
2009-05-12T12:14:10Z
54 Gertie wrote:



And when will that be? :?: You cant keep us waiting forever! :roll: :lol:



Off to a classic car show during the spring bank holiday, hope to get a set of black plates made there, can't have those modern yellow nasties:wink:

My new jewell – well she's a little camera shy too 😎



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VW Stan
2009-05-12T12:28:19Z
Standard split wrote:



Off to a classic car show during the spring bank holiday, hope to get a set of black plates made there, can't have those modern yellow nasties:wink:

My new jewell – well she's a little camera shy too 😎




I've bought several sets from Framptons. Very helpful, quick turnaround and very reasonable prices too!
They do the white or silver plastic digits as well...

https://www.pl8s.co.uk/ 

Or there's Tippers who also do just about every style but seem more expensive...

https://www.tippersvintageplates.co.uk/ 

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Standard split
2009-05-12T12:46:22Z
VW Stan wrote:



I've bought several sets from Framptons. Very helpful, quick turnaround and very reasonable prices too!
They do the white or silver plastic digits as well...



Thanks – I do like the placed on digits, nice classic 3D look :wink:



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