six-o-one
17 years ago
Just spotted this ad, anyone interested?

RARE 1949 VW KDF Split Beetle Bug Brezel Body
 
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lee ivatt
17 years ago
This looks perfect for the type of project im looking to undertake, i know it could never be a valuable orginal car (no chassis, no vin) but who cares if im not looking to ever sell it! looks like this could be the one! Thanks for letting us know!

Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
six-o-one
lee ivatt
17 years ago
Had to be on ebay though!! You know im not keen on that site, just hope the bids dont get stupid!
I dont know if your familiar with Owen Warlow, hes found me a lovley 50' but its a bit above my budget, he has been very helpful though. Have you seen the latest custom car mag the split on the front was sourced by him, its really cool, totally individual car, ww2 bommer seats and cadilac rear light for the rear interior lamp, and thats just to start with!!??
I think i will buy Owens' 50' if i loose the 49' bid, just have to work harder and sell that Rs Turbo!! But as you know (?) i said in my first ever post a 49' would just be the cherry on the cake with icing!
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
six-o-one
17 years ago
You could always go and look at the '49 and make the owner an offer! :wink:
'50 Karmann
17 years ago
This guys going to carve up a Split.
Talk of custom cars and RS turbos.
lee ivatt
17 years ago
50' karmann chill out, i know what your thinking, rs turbos and stuff! I only brought the car because it was going for £500 and i fancied a challenge (Have you ever tried making a loom for fuelinjection and turbo boost??? let alone welding in at least 40% of new metal and rebuilding a cvh with no help!!) You shouldn't judge a book by the cover, so they say, and just because i mentioned a custom car bug dosent mean im going to buy one and get the oxycetaline out!!!! :evil: i have big respect for splits, hell ive wanted one for ten years. im not going to "carve up a split", im fact id be quite happy with some nice wheels and mabe a slight drop in suspension, using spindles! so i take great offence to your comment and it upsets me that you are being so stereotypical. If i get at split it will be worthy of a concourse trophy when im done with it!!
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
six-o-one
mrsherbie
17 years ago

It will be interesting to see what it goes for :?

"six-o-one" wrote:



Yes.

Lee a car like this is ideal. It has lost its floorpan and identity at some time in the past which is a shame but there are plenty of others that have been lost to this entirely. So it lends itself to being saved and restored by whatever means possible! If you can find a driving MOT failure pre-63 bug with bad rot, so long as the outer edges of the pan with the boltholes to the body are still good (this part usually survives without rot) even if the floorpan halves need replacing its a cheap and easy way to get this body back on the road again 😃 (pre-63 will give you the pre-reg no. plate on re-registering so it will look perfectly acceptable) Then you can indulge your bodywork skills on the shell, which looks to be in super shape!

The only problem is that so many other people would also like a '49, but with the availability of a donor split floorpan and running gear slimmer than slim jack McSlim during Lent, you could bypass all the primitive early mechanicals with zero guilt.
Sadly it is floorpanless bodyshells that often end up as racecars, and with an ever increasing number of egotistic numbskull pratts using splits & ovals in this way, more and more are going to get rolled and irretrievably trashed like the brown '50 UltraVW Dec'05 cover car below! :cry:
So even restocal is far far preferable to that!
Welded in rollcages disturb my karma far more than a chewed up front beam and road scrapped and scuffed floorpan and front wings! :lol:

Incidentally playing devils advocate regarding the current UltraVW cover split rod car thing, I know that bodyshell was seriously butchered and I doubt would have ever been restored back to stock or concours. Similarly my own which although IS going back to stock has dents on every panel including the roof which would be impossible to ever get straight ( so mine are staying! My most favorite part of the car actually :wink: )

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"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
'50 Karmann
17 years ago
[quote="lee ivatt"]. im not going to "carve up a split",In fact id be quite happy with some nice wheels and mabe a slight drop in suspension, using spindles!

I REST MY CASE
lee ivatt
17 years ago
George/50 karmann ive done a lot of thinking the last day since i ad a go at you for calling me what in essence is a Chav', and your right an Rs turbo is not helping matters!
Dont know if youve read my post on my wanted thread but having heard advice from six-o-one, pre67, Mrs herbie and more recently a few others ive finaly seen sence in keeping things stock. Thanks for your offer of a ride in what has been described and THE MOST ORIGINAL AND BEST BEETLE IN THE WORLD, your car.
I cant believe id even concidered putting aftermarket wheels on a split, i feel ashamed, seriously thanks for steering me back on track im going to use you as my benckmark now and i hope you will be willing to track OE parts down. If i can restore a split to a tenth of what your cars are i hope you will be happy!?
If i get this 49' can you help me find a chassis, as i want to make the car as correct as is physically possible bearing in mind it has no V5!?
Thanks again, i have great respect for you(not the calling me a chav' part tho! 😃 ) Kind regards Lee
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
six-o-one
17 years ago
I'm not sure if he still has it but George was offering a complete '53 standard chassis for FREE in the classified section...

https://www.pre67vw.co.uk/classifieds/detail.aspx?id=200 

Earlier pans do pop up for sale from time to time.
'50 Karmann
17 years ago
You're welcome Lee.
But the free ride is in the '47 not the car Rob was refering to.
I still panic about driving that one.Got to get a good long run like Camberg under my belt,just to get rid of the jitters.
Andy Sparks
17 years ago
https://www.bbt4vw.com/Car%20sales/Autoverkoop/kever/kever1950chassis.php 

Complete rust free driving bottom half of a 1950

Good luck
You can never have too many accessories on your car. 🙂
pre67vw
17 years ago
Whats the score with using an imported floorpan like that?

Is it true that you can't UK register it without an MOT? so you then have to restore the car and invest all your time & money into the car, then MOT it, then register it? What happens then if there is a problem with the registration?
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
six-o-one
17 years ago
Yep, you need an MOT to register a car in the UK.

I've registered two imports so far, one from the US and one from Belgium.

Both had correct chassis numbers though so age-related plated not a problem, both had proof of their age.

I'm not sure how you would stand if you used a later pan with a '49 shell though?
pre67vw
17 years ago
So can there be complications with the registration that leaves you with a fully restored car you can't use?
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
six-o-one
17 years ago
I don't think so. As long as it has a chassis number you can register it as a VW beetle and get a reg number to match the age of the chassis.

Same as building a beach buggy or other VW based kit car like a 356 replica etc.
lee ivatt
17 years ago
47 is cool im looking foward to it! how much do you guys think the 49 is worth as im going to start bidding soon? Im a bit scared about it having no v5/ chassis i know this is a big damage to the original resto im not going to do but hell its a 49? Please let me know what you realistically think, because it either this one or the 50' Owen warlow has offered me!
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
six-o-one
17 years ago
Hi Lee,
If I were going to go the full concourse route, I would try and find a complete split beetle to start with, so that it had matching body and chassis numbers etc. Also, it's going to be far more expensive in the long run to buy all the missing bits, than to buy a complete but rough car to start with.

It will cost you more to start with but I reckon it will be worth far more in the end and you stand a much better chance of winning concourse trophies for all you hard work, if that's your goal.


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