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2splits
15 years ago
Just to keep it clear, the true definition of a coachbuilt car is a vehicle that has had the body built by one company (the coachbuilder) and the chassis and mechanicals built by somebody else.
Kevin

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  • pre67vw Junkie
15 years ago

Just to keep it clear, the true definition of a coachbuilt car is a vehicle that has had the body built by one company (the coachbuilder) and the chassis and mechanicals built by somebody else.

"2splits" wrote:



That was always my understanding of "coachbuilt" too. Method of construction doesn't enter into it.
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pre67vw
15 years ago

Just to keep it clear, the true definition of a coachbuilt car is a vehicle that has had the body built by one company (the coachbuilder) and the chassis and mechanicals built by somebody else.

"2splits" wrote:



So my brothers '55 chevy is a coachbuilt because the body was made by Fisher? And the other million and a half fisher bodied chevy's that were made in '55?

What proportion of the body needs to be built by someone else? For a Heb, a considerable amount of the body was still built by VW.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
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  • pre67vw Junkie
15 years ago

Just to keep it clear, the true definition of a coachbuilt car is a vehicle that has had the body built by one company (the coachbuilder) and the chassis and mechanicals built by somebody else.

"pre67vw" wrote:



So my brothers '55 chevy is a coachbuilt because the body was made by Fisher? And the other million and a half fisher bodied chevy's that were made in '55?

What proportion of the body needs to be built by someone else? For a Heb, a considerable amount of the body was still built by VW.

"2splits" wrote:



In a sense it is. Fisher were building "coachwork" ie. bodywork, so therefore they are a coachbuilder. A very big one, but so what? Karmann aren't exactly a small outfit.

Perhaps it is just that the term is less exclusive than we would like it to be. Karmann Escort Cabrio anyone?
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48REME
15 years ago

Dont want to stir the pot but if you take a badly restored Heb, cut out the bad sheetmetal and replace with good sedan split panels and sedan doors. Does that make it a custom car too?

"Hebster52" wrote:



Exactly...I don't understand the big fuss with this issue. It's almost like the Hebmüller and other coachbuilt car owners feel 'threatened' by the arrival of this Rosenstiel.
No one says it's a Hebmüller but it is after all a coach-built car, made on a VW pan like many others. Doesn't matter when or where. People who completely restore KDFs or Hebmüllers in order to undo the wrong that's been applied over the decades and want to return them to their original aspect are actually recreating or reconstructing their cars in a manner similar to what coachbuilders did to achieve their dream.
pre67vw
15 years ago
A lot of people draw a line between cars that are 'stock' and cars that are 'custom', this site tends to be on the stock side. A lot of the skills in creating both types are the same, often the line gets blurred during this process too - custom cars using old steel, restorations using new steel etc.

I like the Rosensteil, obviously a lot of work and skill went into creating it, and it looks cool. If it had been built in the 50's then people would be all over it. Is it a coachbuilt? probably not really, it's a conversion.

Is a Heb coachbuilt? I personally don't think so, pressing an engine cover doesn't count as having the body built by a separate company than the chassis - nor was the body hand crafted by a coachbuilder.

All the lines get blurred when you analyze things too much, which is why it's often better not to do so...
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
heb623
15 years ago

Is a Heb coachbuilt? I personally don't think so, pressing an engine cover doesn't count as having the body built by a separate company than the chassis - nor was the body hand crafted by a coachbuilder.




Dear Mr Rob,


Watch out! :evil:

Be careful with your words! :evil: :evil:

You are playing with f i r e!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

:twisted: ET
I ’ll never regret the things I did wrong!
I only regret the good things I did for the wrong people!
48REME
15 years ago
Rob said:
All the lines get blurred when you analyze things too much, which is why it's often better not to do so...

I agree, live and let live. Let the Rosenstiel owner enjoy his toy like others enjoy their own. It's what the hobby's about isn't it?

PS: Rob, how does the 'quote' thing work please?
Etzhold1
15 years ago


I agree, live and let live. Let the Rosenstiel owner enjoy his toy like others enjoy their own. It's what the hobby's about isn't it?

"48REME" wrote:


I agree !
Jut click the quote button on the right side ! :wink:
Guido
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'50 Karmann
15 years ago
Nick
Just click on the quote icon.(top right of posters message)
You will then be transferred to the "post a message"screen.
Which will contain the original posters text,you can then edit that text, to use as little or as much of the original as you like. 😎
48REME
15 years ago

Nick
Just click on the quote icon.(top right of posters message)
You will then be transferred to the "post a message"screen.
Which will contain the original posters text,you can then edit that text, to use as little or as much of the original as you like. 😎

"'50 Karmann" wrote:



Just giving it a go, George! Let's see...
48REME
15 years ago
kdf38
15 years ago
Hebmüller actually built wagens and coaches before they workked on automobiles. You can't be much more of a 'Coachbuilder' than that!!!

Mike

I like the Rosensteil, obviously a lot of work and skill went into creating it, and it looks cool. If it had been built in the 50's then people would be all over it. Is it a coachbuilt? probably not really, it's a conversion.

Is a Heb coachbuilt? I personally don't think so, pressing an engine cover doesn't count as having the body built by a separate company than the chassis - nor was the body hand crafted by a coachbuilder.

All the lines get blurred when you analyze things too much, which is why it's often better not to do so...

"pre67vw" wrote:

Mike
Texas
Nov. 1947 +
Febr 1949 shell
kdf38
15 years ago
Hebmüller actually built wagens and coaches before they worked on Automobiles. You can't be much more of a 'Coachbuilder' than that!!!

Mike

I like the Rosensteil, obviously a lot of work and skill went into creating it, and it looks cool. If it had been built in the 50's then people would be all over it. Is it a coachbuilt? probably not really, it's a conversion.

Is a Heb coachbuilt? I personally don't think so, pressing an engine cover doesn't count as having the body built by a separate company than the chassis - nor was the body hand crafted by a coachbuilder.

All the lines get blurred when you analyze things too much, which is why it's often better not to do so...

"pre67vw" wrote:

Mike
Texas
Nov. 1947 +
Febr 1949 shell
'50 Karmann
15 years ago

Hebmüller actually built wagens and coaches before they worked on Automobiles. You can't be much more of a 'Coachbuilder' than that!!!

"kdf38" wrote:




Exactly what i was thinking.
Rob is a bit clueless really :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (LMFAO)
mrsherbie
15 years ago
Ive got to say I am with ET, a coachbuilt was built from a brand new car of the time by a specialist builder/company, not from some beat up 40yr old worthless scrapper by some bloke being creative in his garage. Hell we are all coachbuilders if thats the case!
Just because you give a car an old legit sounding name ( did the Americans start this craze way back?) does'nt make it remotely a coachbuilt of any shape or form. If it was still in its original matt black with red wheels look we would'nt even be discussing it. So it seems a classic paintjob/new look and bolt on's has miraculously turned it into a coachbuilt?

Can I have some of what you guys are having in my tea too?
:lol:

Still, all that ranting over, it is all interesting regardless! 😃
"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
mrsherbie
15 years ago


Exactly what i was thinking.
Rob is a bit clueless really :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (LMFAO)

"'50 Karmann" wrote:



Hey, you leave Rob alone, dont forget ...."He built this city.....on rock and roll"

:lol:
"it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create" - 50Karmann
pre67vw
15 years ago


Exactly what i was thinking.
Rob is a bit clueless really :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (LMFAO)

"'50 Karmann" wrote:



:lol:

I guess I just don't like the idea of a brand new Nissan Micra 2+2 built by Karmann being a 'coachbuilt' car... :wink:
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
heb623
15 years ago
GUIDO, DID YOU DO IT :roll: OR DID YOU FORGET TO DO IT? :shock:

:twisted: ET
I ’ll never regret the things I did wrong!
I only regret the good things I did for the wrong people!
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