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Offline pre67vw  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2012 20:23:50(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 01 June 2012 20:41:21(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 01 June 2012 21:02:11(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 01 June 2012 21:22:40(UTC)
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Very nice!

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#5 Posted : 01 June 2012 21:51:00(UTC)
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That babe is a beauty!
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#6 Posted : 01 June 2012 22:17:48(UTC)
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Lovely! Wonder if he wants a shagged ´58 in px?ROFL
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#7 Posted : 01 June 2012 23:06:40(UTC)
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Ooo. Spot on, isn't it?
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#8 Posted : 02 June 2012 20:10:09(UTC)
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That is beautiful!

Interesting that it says it was first registered on 04.09.53- it's a zwitter cabrio so maybe he means 09.04.53? I guess the body would've been built a couple of months before that, so that would probably make it one of the last zwitter cabrios to come out of the Karmann factory. Apart from a couple of minor details, that looks to be spot on. A lovely cabrio, and if it stays at that price (currently 27,550 euros, it's bound to go up a lot more) that's a bargain!

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Offline Martenni  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2012 20:34:01(UTC)
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Interesting. I didn't notice the zwitter-ashtray yet. Are there any other clues that this is a zwitter ?

BTW : 30.049 euro now.

Edit : Speedo seems '53 oval to me. Also : on the last picture of the registration papers : the chassis-number seems to begin with 1-05... Zwitter should start with 1-04...
Could it be that just the ashtray is wrong ?

Edit 2 : Engine-number stated on the papers = 20-0608420 (July 1953 barndoor)

Edited by user 02 June 2012 21:56:59(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline JD  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2012 15:35:22(UTC)
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How can you tell it´s a zwitter?
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Offline vintagebug  
#11 Posted : 04 June 2012 23:24:37(UTC)
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I assume it is a zwitter from the ashtray- zwitter ashtrays have no handle or surround. Of course, it may be a later cabrio with a zwitter ashtray fitted... Unsure

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Offline Rich Oakley  
#12 Posted : 05 June 2012 00:34:13(UTC)
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Did nobody enquire yet about the body/chassis number? You would be able to tell from the window frames if it is a Zwitter or an Oval, but you can't see the detail in the pics.
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Offline Martenni  
#13 Posted : 06 June 2012 13:45:16(UTC)
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I asked the seller for chassis-number, body-number and extra pictures.
Got this :
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- chassis-number = 1-0514xxx
- engine was replaced by VW in 1960

"

The chassis-number makes it a mid-august 1953. First registration date is 4th sept 1953.

My guess is that this auction won't hit the reserve price.

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Offline vintagebug  
#14 Posted : 06 June 2012 14:20:23(UTC)
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It looks like the zwitter ashtray is wrong, then! It's still a lovely car though ThumpUp

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#15 Posted : 06 June 2012 15:28:00(UTC)
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What date was the starter button stopped?
Offline vintagebug  
#16 Posted : 06 June 2012 16:10:22(UTC)
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GKL 7 wrote:
What date was the starter button stopped?


I think it was either on 21st December '53 (same day as the engine went from 25hp to 30hp) or right at the end of December 1953. '54-model year Beetles don't have it.


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Offline vintagebug  
#17 Posted : 11 June 2012 12:00:52(UTC)
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I checked & the starter button stopped on 21st December 1953.

The Oval cabrio on ebay didn't reach the reserve price.
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Offline Andy Sparks  
#18 Posted : 18 June 2012 23:43:04(UTC)
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Has small round heater outlets on the carpet, isn't that earlier than early oval. But think that the window frames look later, as they should be Ally if it's a zwitter.

Hood handle looks chromed as well
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#19 Posted : 19 June 2012 08:59:29(UTC)
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Andy Sparks wrote:
Has small round heater outlets on the carpet, isn't that earlier than early oval. But think that the window frames look later, as they should be Ally if it's a zwitter.

Hood handle looks chromed as well


The round heater outlets were included up to the end of 1953, so they're correct for a 1953 Oval. '53 Oval cabrio window frames are chromed & the bonnet handle is a one-year-only item (chromed I believe).

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