usariemen
9 years ago
I had this picture for a while but got it now again in a higher resolution.

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I studied it for a while and noticed several interesting details.
It is obviously a very early car.

Taillights with the big chrome ring.
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It looks like no trim on the rear. So a very early Heb.
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White three spoke.
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And I think a probably general feature of the first deluxe models.
The "wrong way round" painted wheels.
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That was visible on other early exports too.

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Unlike the later usual way.
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I think in the beginning of the deluxe models the paint schemes where not yet clear.
As the line of the painted side panels here on early Karman verts above the trim.
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Also the half way painted hinge on the Heb in the top pic is unusual?
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An other feature of early deluxe models wich I had noticed before is the side trim. The tips are very very pointy and not symmetrical.
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Also on sedans.
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That was from summer 1949 up to when?
Any more info on that?
Someone noticed any more differences on the early deluxes?
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zelensis61
9 years ago
Carsten, Good eye.. Could be one of the 25 vorserie hebmullers. I wonder who came up with the first idea for the grooved trim and bumpers?

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JD
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9 years ago
I've only ever seen one set of those pointed trims as far as I can remember, but on a saloon.
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usariemen
9 years ago
I think they where used generally in the beginning of the deluxe models.
On sedans as on verts.
But how long?
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usariemen
9 years ago
I knew I saw and pictured one of the pointy trims in real life once.
I just remembered where.
On Heb 455

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Now I found that Andreas, the owner, even mentioned it on his homepage.

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It came with the car. But the problem is, it is a 1950.
So not an early deluxe model. But maybe it was fittet somewhen later and came from an earlier car?
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9 years ago
Has the rear lid been cut open ?????  1279058.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
usariemen
9 years ago

Has the rear lid been cut open ?????

Originally Posted by: AW 



??? What do you mean?


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9 years ago
It looks like the skin on the rear lid ( in the dish ) has had a bit removed
usariemen
9 years ago
No, that´s just a light reflection in the pic.
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9 years ago
Arrrrrrrrr Got you
zelensis61
9 years ago
First production model heb had the pointed side trim and no rear trim.  jp12.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.  werk13.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
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Sambaguy
9 years ago

Has the rear lid been cut open ?????

Originally Posted by: AW 



But I can se another difference:

The corner of the rear lid is much more rounded than on a normal Heb lid.
usariemen
9 years ago

But I can se another difference:

The corner of the rear lid is much more rounded than on a normal Heb lid.

Originally Posted by: Sambaguy 



It really looks like that.
But I think that´s just the angle of the picture.
The car is not pictured straight from the side.
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zelensis61
9 years ago
Carsten, I see this detail also. Rounded corner on the engine cover....

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I have checked other early birds...all I can see is that same detail. Guess the assembled and welded engine covers had different corners. Need to check more picts but the first dozen known cars are like that:omg:

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usariemen
9 years ago
Well, I´m not sure.
I still think it´s just the point of view.
Here´s a very early one.
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Differend angle, differend impression.
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zelensis61
9 years ago
Carsten, Yes That is an early one, probably nr 1 and totaly built by hand as at that point, no pressing dies were ready.
i will look at the picts I have on the other cars.

If you compaire the pict from Andreas Hendl's 455 with the early cars... It is different. The older cars have a round corner where the edga from the enginebay goes over into the rain catcher
The younger :omg: cars have there a sharper corner..
From the first heb until car 100 for sure. car 112 is next and hard to see but after that one ....Sharp corner like on Andreas his car. Now we need to find out on wich car the pressed engine covers fit's in the history.

Rob, Have you comment on this or Yan? :twisted:
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usariemen
9 years ago
Now finally I got the spot to look at.
Sorry "sambaguy", you where right.
Yes, the corner is rounder on these early ones.
At least it is quite obvius now to me.
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Interesting detail.
I guess the later shape started with the hoods coming off the press mold.
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zelensis61
9 years ago
Thanks to Thomas L... The detail is small but oh so important to me for my research. It was hard to see on several picts but on car 17 from Australia it was clear.
Again another detail in the construction of the hebs.
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