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Jesper Denmark Offline
#1 Posted : 21 November 2014 12:39:34(UTC)
Jesper Denmark

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Warning against Internet car sales.

I would like to strongly warn against "TODERASC Viorel ΤΟΥ Viorel" as the user side www.tripoldcars.com to act cars on blah. autoscout.de, Ebay, mobile.de, pre67vw.com and similar pages. I found my purchase on www.autoscout24.de
I have even tried to buy car "Willys MB" by him, and in a moment of infatuation in a car been stupid enough to send him some money.
He starts off well enough with all calls are answered, all papers and contracts are sent, also followed it all up of papers from the authorities in Greece.

We had agreed delivery in Hamburg on the date and location. Then I heard nothing more. Spent the whole day in Hamburg to wait and got a brief phone call in the evening from selling the car did not come forward. I could just run home, with a large bill for the hire of auto transport and hotel.

The next day came word to the now shipped in Denmark for 2 days.
The time has now passed, still no car and no contact from the seller.

So now it's been on the police, contact the Embassy, etc., Etc.

As well as this to others should not make the same mistake.

Jesper Jensen
Promenadebyen
5000 Odense C
Denmark

translated with google translate
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#2 Posted : 22 November 2014 10:17:23(UTC)
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Hello Jesper,

shit, but you are not the only one.
Sent you a message to you PM
Markus
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#3 Posted : 27 November 2014 11:50:51(UTC)
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Hi!

Viorel has cheated me. I lost a lot of money for a car ever delivered.
Besides the various email, last week I managed to speak to Viorel 3 times. The second time he told me he was on way (macedonia) and would arrive the day following ...
Of course the next day never arrived (at least I hope I've had an accident) and I went to the police.
Do you have a document of this person? in good faith I made the payment without having a document with his photo.
Some of you have skills to do a site dedicated to him and try to get information? Surely there are other people in our situation.

Regards.
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#4 Posted : 04 January 2015 18:40:20(UTC)
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Hmmm- www.tripoldcars.com website doesn't seem to exist any more.... Interesting. Maybe your reporting of him has worked?

Do you have any updates about it?
Dave

"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading"
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#5 Posted : 04 January 2015 18:47:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vintagebug Go to Quoted Post
Hmmm- www.tripoldcars.com website doesn't seem to exist any more.... Interesting. Maybe your reporting of him has worked?

Do you have any updates about it?



Jep I know that he now trades under other names, with fake cars. Also on these pages as vw forum user here.
He sells cars and changing Internet sites disappear and reappear under different names.
There is the police out on him for at least 5 countries I know of. But Greek police do nothing.

Here is one : www.classicrest.com
but he works with multiple pages

Jesper
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#6 Posted : 04 January 2015 19:13:43(UTC)
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This guy?:-

http://www.pre67vw.com/c...eds/detail.aspx?id=6826 Seems to be advertising as Classicrest & has a Greek phone number.

See this thread:-

http://forums.pre67vw.co...59_splitscreen-scam.aspx

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Dave

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Os Offline
#7 Posted : 06 March 2015 21:49:48(UTC)
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Hi there,

I think he tries to foolisg me again. He post a beautiful porsche 912 1968, and this is what he mails for a deposit:

"Hi
You receive the bank account? Please let me know if you do the transfer because other customer contact me and want to pay for reservation
Thanks
Toder Ascos

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Classic Restoration <saleclassicrest@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
My account where to deposit 20% (2.200 euro)
CLASSICREST TODERASC
Bank: NATIONAL BANK OF GREECE S.A.
GR8601104780000047843023624
BIC/SWIFT Code: ETHNGRAA
As i receive the transfer the car will be reserved only for you
Thanks
Toder Ascos

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Olaf Steinbusch <olaf.steinbusch@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Can you let me know your bank account for the downpayment? And which amount do you accept?"


Are we talking about the same guy you think?

Best regards.

Olaf
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#8 Posted : 07 March 2015 08:32:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Os Go to Quoted Post
Hi there,

I think he tries to foolisg me again. He post a beautiful porsche 912 1968, and this is what he mails for a deposit:

"Hi
You receive the bank account? Please let me know if you do the transfer because other customer contact me and want to pay for reservation
Thanks
Toder Ascos

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Classic Restoration <saleclassicrest@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
My account where to deposit 20% (2.200 euro)
CLASSICREST TODERASC
Bank: NATIONAL BANK OF GREECE S.A.
GR8601104780000047843023624
BIC/SWIFT Code: ETHNGRAA
As i receive the transfer the car will be reserved only for you
Thanks
Toder Ascos

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Olaf Steinbusch <olaf.steinbusch@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Can you let me know your bank account for the downpayment? And which amount do you accept?"


Are we talking about the same guy you think?

Best regards.

Olaf


He is still working
:-)
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#9 Posted : 19 March 2015 15:56:55(UTC)
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Hi guys,


I have seen your messages on the forum.

Luckily i seen it 3 hours before i wired him 11.300 euro for a Mercedes 190 SL. (restore project)

He is a scumbag. I have contacted the dutch police and they told me they cannot do anything.

I want to give you his new website:

www.classicrest.com

And this phone number is correct.

If you need any information for your report to the police let me know.

his personal info is:

- saleclassicrest@gmail.com
- +306933459492
- www.classicrest.com
adres: 14 Moutsopoulou Dimitriou Street 185, 40 Pireaus.
his name: Toder Ascos

I hope i have helped you with this info.

Please make sure you warn other forums and people for this guy.

I hate him already. And if he f***** me i would go to greece and break him.

hope you guys read this info! and share it!

extra info from the contract:


I, Toder Ascos of 14 Moutsopoulou Dimitriou Street, 185 40 Piraeus ,Attica, Greece (the 'Seller'), STATE AND DECLARE that the following vehicle's (the 'Motor Vehicle') odometer reads
I CERTIFY that to the best of my knowledge the odometer reading as stated above reflects the actual mileage of the Motor Vehicle. I CERTIFY that the odometer of the Motor Vehicle was not altered, set back, or disconnected while in my possession, and I have no knowledge of anyone else doing so.

Make Mercedes-Benz
Model 190 SL
Year 1960
Current Odometer Reading 8,140 Miles
Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) J014816
Body Type Cabrio
SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED before me, this 19h day of March. 2015 in the presence of:
__________________________________ WITNESS:
___________________________
Seller: Toder Ascos
Address: 14 Moutsopoulou Dimitriou Street
185 40 Piraeus ,Attica, Greece
Parikios Iorgos
Address: _______________
A__g_id_o_s__3_0_, _P_a_tr_a_2_6_3__0_0_______________
Page 3 of 6
Bill of Sale
____________________.
NOTARY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT - ODOMETER STATEMENT
Patra 19
Declared at (city) _______________________ on (day) __ _ of (month, year)
03 - 2015
Before me, (Notary's name) ___K_y_r_ia_k_i__G_e_o_r_g_e________________
Signature ____________________________________ (Seal) NOTARY PUBLIC IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF PATRA,
Address __1_6_9_K__an_a_k_a_r_i-_R_o_u_f,_o_u_S_t_reet, 262 21 Patra Achaea



hope i've helped you guys.


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#10 Posted : 05 June 2016 19:50:17(UTC)
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Hi guys,

Just been doing a bit of research on our Greek friend Viorel

Now he is in Sweden going under the name Hugo Liam cars

http://www.hugoclassiccars.com/

Thought I'd just respond to this topic in case anyone wanted to know he's at it again

Cheers



Antony Offline
#11 Posted : 14 January 2017 20:01:32(UTC)
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hi
this is Antony from Hungary.
The guy from Greece again is active.

New name isBigGrinimitris Constantinou
www.dimitrisgarage.com

Today appered 3-new ad on Mobile.de website.
Porsche 912,911,Jaguar,Alfa,and MB Pagoda for sale.

According by Mobile ad,the seller is:TRIPOLDCAR,GR-45500,IOANNINA-ARTA 9
TEL:+306997120852

I writed to seller,promt answer arrived.
First of all,I writed to GOOGLE:"Tripoldcar"...few minuts-fortunately-I find/got it this site!

I writed again to seller,I have few doubts...from this reason",pls send me new pictures of car"(the old pictures was typical Usa trailer,house,etc),and copy of all paper.
Never answered...
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#12 Posted : 15 January 2017 16:18:39(UTC)
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Brand new Ad on Mobile.de,from a mentioned GREEK TIPOLDCAR:

http://suchen.mobile.de/...94.html?action=parkItem

The price is:41.500 euro

And here,the original Ad by Truh seller in Value (Bid)102.000-us.$

https://bno.com/classics...-giulietta-veloce-spider
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#13 Posted : 20 January 2017 22:28:57(UTC)
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Hello,

i am new to the forum and did the registration to warn you about the guy from Tripoldcars.
I am basically a 356 guy, i am living in Austria and i am restoring a 1951 coupe (veeery slowly) now. I am driving a 1954 porsche 356 "rat" coupe
and i am obviously collecting non running cars... sadly :-)

Back to the Tripoldcars.
I already put all the information in the Porsche 356 Registry Forum and want to send you the Link:

http://forum.porsche356r...48&p=281671#p281671

I am happy that i found this entry in the forum and i have to say THANK YOU because i already sent more than 60.000 euros (!) to that Asshole.
Then i found this entry and i called my bank to cancell the transaction.

So i saved 60.000 Euros today and will have some beers to celebrate.

You guys are great. It is so important to post such things and this definitely helps :-)

Thank you again and Aircooled greetings from Austria.

Eric
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#14 Posted : 21 January 2017 08:55:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 356outlaw Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

i am new to the forum and did the registration to warn you about the guy from Tripoldcars.
I am basically a 356 guy, i am living in Austria and i am restoring a 1951 coupe (veeery slowly) now. I am driving a 1954 porsche 356 "rat" coupe
and i am obviously collecting non running cars... sadly :-)

Back to the Tripoldcars.
I already put all the information in the Porsche 356 Registry Forum and want to send you the Link:

http://forum.porsche356r...48&p=281671#p281671

I am happy that i found this entry in the forum and i have to say THANK YOU because i already sent more than 60.000 euros (!) to that Asshole.
Then i found this entry and i called my bank to cancell the transaction.

So i saved 60.000 Euros today and will have some beers to celebrate.

You guys are great. It is so important to post such things and this definitely helps :-)

Thank you again and Aircooled greetings from Austria.

Eric




Well,I writed the last Two posts,from this reason you payd for me a my drink?:)

By the way,the main problem is:

The very faoumus europian MOBILE.DE website -I do not why-always approv[img][/img][img][/img]ed,confirmed,and supported the mentioned "Tripoldcar".

I writed already 5-time-because presently has Porsche 912,911,Jaguar,MB Pagoda,and your 356 for sale-to Mobile.de complain office,but answer was always:"We started the investigate"....I think,the Tripoldcar pay some money to Mobile.(Company ad)

Your Porsche 356 -and other cars also-still available.
Just questions:the Porsc 356 sellinfg price was 54K euro,and you saved 60k?..How?:)...or you just ordered the shipping also?..this cost from Greek-to Österreich will be 6K?

Anyway,I can confirm,the google always good friend,I usd the "pictures searching"options.
Almost all cars-what was for sale-I find it in other U.S website.

Other:If you check all pictures abouth all cars,you can see,that the all backgrund typical american.
House,trailer,windows,etc

Unfortunately,usualy all Greek car ads for sale,LIKE A GREEK COUNTRY.....Fraud.

Today-5 Fraud Ads available on Mobile.de website from a "Tripoldcar"
Porsche 911,912,356,MB,Jaguar,

Antony attached the following image(s):
tripold1.png (261kb) downloaded 2 time(s).
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#15 Posted : 23 January 2017 00:23:58(UTC)
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Antony, you are the 60.000 Euro guy ;-)
You are from Hungary.?. not far away from Austria, you deserve a Drink or better 1000 Drinks ;-)
I am still drinking the 12 years old stuff to celebrate Beer Smile
Are you far away from the Austrian border ?

I did a lot of investigation now and fond out that the website www.dimitrisgarage is an EXACT copy of the website http://www.vintageoscar.com
I also found some entries in different Forums that this guy may be the same ?? The Text on the webpage is equal. I also
found the old ebay add from the Porsche 911-S and the Porsche 356. I also talked to the previous owner of the 356 and this car did NOT go to europe
although the new owner may have just sold it again quickly for little profit to europe..?

He changed the VIN Number on all pictures really PERFECTLY !!!
He also changed the engine number on the pictures.
The original Numbers are:
CHASSIS NO. 305681
ENGINE NO. 960236

Here is a list of all what i found out:

https://www.dimitrisgarage.com
SCAM.Proof: https://www.scamadviser....site/dimitrisgarage.com
SCAM.Proof: http://scamanalyze.com/c...dimitrisgarage.com.html
http://wa-com.com/dimitrisgarage.com
Copy of the website:
http://www.vintageoscar.com Kopie der Website
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#ses
SCAM.Proof: https://www.scamadviser....ebsite/vintageoscar.com

www.tripoldcars.com...not activ
https://www.classicdrive...car?id=109097&type=
http://website.informer....derasc+tripoldcars.html
http://website.informer....ipoldcars.com#tab_whois
http://sur.ly/i/tripoldcars.com/

https://www.classic-invest.com where some text was taken and pictures from cars.
Glafkou 58, Patra, 26332, Achaias, Greece contact@classic-invest.com Phone 00306983023408
Mon - Fri: 09:00 - 17:00
Saturday: 09:00 - 13:00
SCAM.Proof: https://www.scamadviser....site/classic-invest.com
Owner: Liviu Tiron Owner Address: 81 Belsize Lane Owner City: London Owner Postcode: NW3 5AU
Phone Number: +44.7778703468 Phone Type: mobile: Vodafone Ltd Email:
Owner Country : United Kingdom Website Location : United States
https://www.google.at/ma...a+263+32,+Griechenland/@37.8827162,21.6750388,9.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x135e364500d37e7d:0x81eb64f271711248!8m2!3d38.2121968!4d21.7283123?hl=de

https://www.classicinvest.com
https://www.scamadviser....bsite/Classicinvest.com

Porsche 356 1957
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238172153
http://www.ebay.com/itm/...E-REUTTER-/161738245136
Porsche 911-S 1967
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238171403
http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=132640
http://s28.photobucket.c...rary/?sort=9&page=1
http://www.ebay.pl/itm/1...che-911-S-/221618287357
http://usedcarsfsbo.com/...mp;theday=12%2F6%2F2014
Teile der Motorbeschreibung:
http://www.2040-cars.com...-911s-upgraded-1230519/

Porsche 912
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238017066
Parts of the text on both websites:
https://www.classic-invest.com/1966-porsche-912
http://www.vintageoscar.com/for-sale

Mercedes 1966
https://www.dimitrisgarage.com/services2
http://smclassiccars.com...rs-hardtop-softtop.html
http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=186930

Mercedes 280 SL Need Restoration 1970
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238341722
https://www.autoscout24....=1&referrer=stuffle
https://chromjuwelen.com...-4a8c-bbf0-55d7fee9ae9a


Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce
https://www.dimitrisgarage.com/services2
http://www.veloceregister.net/pop497.html
https://bno.com/202/auct...giulietta-veloce-spider

Jaguar E-Type
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238171721
http://classicinvest.com/1964-jaguar-xke-3-8

Alfa Romeo 2600 Sprint 1964
https://home.mobile.de/TRIPOLDCAR#des_238342811
http://classicinvest.com...nt?wpmp_switcher=mobile

Vintageoscar Website
Mercedes is posted on serval other websites.

Mercedes 1962
http://www.vintageoscar.com/for-sale
http://www.autotrader.co...s____benz-190sl/1679471
http://www.vintageoscar.com/for-sale
http://smclassiccars.com...eat-car-to-restore.html
http://www.northantstele...restore/advert-6470105/

Have a great evening !

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#16 Posted : 23 January 2017 00:36:02(UTC)
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Ah.. and to "Proof" his identity he sent me his driving licebs and what ever the other things are.
You see clearly on the license that the name is not in one line with the numbers a.s.o.

Check the title of the 911. When you look very close you can see that the last 4 digits of the title were copied from the long line of numbers above.

And... i asked him for a picture that is taken in front of his house.
Ok... that 911 looks a little bit strange to me.. and the shadow is NOT from a 911. He is a dirtbag. Unbelievable.

So if you meet Dimitris... Say hello.. and he needs to shave his beard off ... hahahahaa

All the best,
eric

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#17 Posted : 23 January 2017 01:16:24(UTC)
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I also posted everything on the 356 registry...

http://forum.porsche356r...pic.php?f=1&t=43248

.
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#18 Posted : 23 January 2017 16:51:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 356outlaw Go to Quoted Post
I also posted everything on the 356 registry...

http://forum.porsche356r...pic.php?f=1&t=43248

.


Hi,
ja,ich leben nach Ungarn,nach Kecskemet.
Uf 300km von unsere grenze.

Anyway,good job!
This is a answer,from mobile.de website:




"Dear Mr. xxxx
thank you for your email.

I have carefully reviewed the ad you reported and understand the basis of your objection to it.

I therefore immediately blocked the ad, which will be reposted only after it is corrected.

Thank you for reporting this ad. Have a pleasant day.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Viktoria Grün
Kundenservice"

I just suggest,pls send her a message to Viktoria.If you will to write in Deutsche sprache,will be better,like a engls.
the email is:
service@team.mobile.de

ps:I have very good aftermarket parts for you 356.Horn button,and cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/...trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

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#19 Posted : 31 May 2017 08:05:53(UTC)
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hello,

The idiot has a new method:

A fake escrow: www.iclear-escrow.eu

Please help me to put down the escrow and bank account:



iClear International Bankverbindung*(Zahlung/Transaktions Details):


iClear ICL ZDENO Zahlungsagent Bank Verbindung (Zahlungsinformationen):

Kontoinhaber Zahlungsagent: BARANEK ZDENO
Bankinstitut: Poste Italiane SpA / BancoPosta

Viale Europa 190, 00144 Roma, Italien
IBAN #:
IT77H 0760 1051 3825 6344 3563 45
BIC/SWIFT Kode:

BPPIITRRXXX




Transaktionsdetails:
Produkt:
1969 Mercedes-Benz 280 SE Cabrio W111 Oldtimer
Gesamtsumme: €84.000,00
Inspektionsfrist: 14-Tage Inspektionsperiode
Anzahlung 30% Von Summe: €25.200,00



Zusicherung

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