It had been for sale in Luxemborg for some time. Nice unusual sunroof model though.
Posted by: mrsherbie - 02 March 2009 19:25:03
Not seen that one before but looks nice, wings are 60s, but I dont know that is such a big deal as it used to be now 50s wings supply really seems to being drying up all together! and if you were determined enough you could fix some tatty ones up, tank wrong and engine mentioned but apart from that looks to be all there, interior is nice and original too, always a helpful indicator of the life a car has had. Its not like there is a huge choice of [i]original factory sunroof splits[/i] for sale :d
Posted by: Standard split - 02 March 2009 21:09:41
Does look good to look at. Shame that the rear lights have slid their way up the wings like snails, even leaving their trail behind them:!:
Always suspicious of zwitters being early ovals with the split-window grafted in, this one is no exception as there is no headlining around the inside of the rear window :?
Posted by: mrsherbie - 02 March 2009 21:32:43
Yes, its terrible is'nt it, I too am suspicious of every sunroof or rhd car these days! unless its og paint and headlining! Thats just how bad it has become!
Looking at that front part of the sunroof mechanism though I can see the usual surface rust under the cover that appears to be original as its a typical age related trait.
But I see what you mean about most of the headlining missing now. But at least you will be able to see what is there so not a bad thing!
Posted by: stu - 02 March 2009 21:41:49
[quote=Standard split]Does look good to look at. Shame that the rear lights have slid their way up the wings like snails, even leaving their trail behind them:!:
Always suspicious of zwitters being early ovals with the split-window grafted in, this one is no exception as there is no headlining around the inside of the rear window :?
[/quote]
your paranoid john :lol:
Posted by: Sunroof53 - 03 March 2009 06:42:16
looks like a genuine car .Great for long journeys to, with that extra fuel tank:wink:
Posted by: 61 Devon - 03 March 2009 18:36:33
Posted by: 55Kab - 03 March 2009 18:59:40
Welcome to the forum Si. Looks a nice car, good luck with the sale. If it had been UK RHD I would have been tempted to bid.
In fact come to think about it, does anyone know if there are any UK RHD Zwitter ragtops? I don't recall ever seeing one?
Posted by: 61 Devon - 03 March 2009 19:12:22
Posted by: mrsherbie - 03 March 2009 19:34:32
Sorry we didnt mean our comments to sound negative, it IS an unusual and interesting car! I was kind of refering to the lumps and bumps under the front bar on the nice tired looking sunroof outer cover, always gets a bit lumpy looking there as damp gets trapped, either that or its had new rivets put along there years ago.
Either way, for me, its an indicator its original, and a very cool car and I would be very happy touching in its paintwork in spots and just leaving it if it were mine! its certainly got loads of charisma just as it is!
What we meant was only that as a deluxe so should have headlining around the rear windows etc, but its an easy fixer to buy just that part new from Lenny Copp or just leave it bare as is which is what I would do, as mine is a deluxe but does'nt have a single bit of that luxury headliner! :lol:
Good luck selling it, hope you never want another zwitter sunroof though in the future :shock: I think you will have a bugger of a hard time finding one again!
Posted by: Standard split - 03 March 2009 21:41:26
[quote][/quote]No welding obvious, paint inside is original. Can check for evidence of roof liner. Was not aware there was anything missing.[quote][/quote]
Hi Si and welcome of course :d
You have to admit you have a rare car there :beer:
I agree with MrsHerbie, I'd keep the car much as possible as it is if it were mine. Restored cars do not have the character this has. I'd make those wayward back lights go back down to where they should be though :wink:
As I said earlier it does look good. If the back window is good inside with nice original undisturbed paint, I'd leave well alone. New headling could make it look that a window swap was being hidden.
October 52, that's an early zwitter (the dash was changed during October '52) 8)
Posted by: 61 Devon - 15 March 2009 16:45:40
Posted by: stu - 15 March 2009 17:29:38
[quote=61 Devon]Had a few offers of exchange but nothing that really caught my imagination.
Car has a few rust issues which could do with been fixed.
If I go down the resto route what parts do people use for replacements
Floor pans
Heater channels
Thanks
Si
[/quote]
you cant buy correct floorpans or heater channels for a zwitter, they dont exsist, unless you can find nos ones which is near impossible, if it needs heater channels & floorpans its not worth 7k though...
Posted by: Judson53 - 15 March 2009 19:11:46
[quote=61 Devon]Had a few offers of exchange but nothing that really caught my imagination.
Car has a few rust issues which could do with been fixed.
If I go down the resto route what parts do people use for replacements
Floor pans
Heater channels
Thanks
Si
[/quote]
ive just got floor pans for my 53 from wolfsburg west :lol: dont think there 100% correct but exelent fit and quality
Posted by: 61 Devon - 15 March 2009 20:38:47
Posted by: stu - 15 March 2009 21:09:25
[quote=61 Devon]Stu,
It's got a sunroof, so it's much too cool or you anyway !
The car is worth what someone will pay for it and not a penny more.
When restoring, it is patch or replace. Heater channels have some corrosion but are savable.
The drives floor pan has a hole behind the drivers seat. The rest of the pans, including battery tray are fine.
[/quote]
a sunroof is only cool if you like sunroofs..., exactly! a car IS only worth what someone will pay, so why are you insisting its worth £7250?, from your description its a project car..., good luck trying to get £7250 for a project car... :d
Posted by: mrsherbie - 17 March 2009 10:14:31
I'm with you 61 Devon, I would hold out for the right money, its certainly worth much more than a 5k car. There is no current 'competition' I am aware of, ie. any other ORIGINAL sunroof splits for sale in uk? So very desirable as there are only a handful here ( we have one)
I dont think anyone can comment on any repairs it might need without seeing the car [-x because even from these pics I do not see it can have a very rusty floor/channel issue probably more specific areas repairs than whole panels I would guess? Anyhow, good luck selling it. Be nice to see it at Stanford Hall, did you book it into the Historic lineup?
Posted by: mrsherbie - 17 March 2009 10:31:27
[quote=stu]
a sunroof is only cool if you like sunroofs.[/quote]
But regardless of personal preference, like it or not, a genuine sunroof split IS worth at least 50% more than a tin top.
Posted by: 48REME - 17 March 2009 11:43:03
I think it looks great and it's a very reasonable price, when you compare with the amount
of overpriced rubbish that plagues the ads most of the time. Lovely feel to that car...
Posted by: stu - 17 March 2009 20:49:21
[quote=mrsherbie]
But regardless of personal preference, like it or not, a genuine sunroof split IS worth at least 50% more than a tin top. [/quote]
lol, no not 50% more anna, who told you that?
Posted by: Standard split - 17 March 2009 21:20:17
If a nice tidy split is, say for sale at £5,000 then it would be of no real surprise to see a very similar split of the same vintage but with a factory sunroof for sale at £7,500 :d
But having said that, I'm not a fan of sunroofs over tin tops, and would rather keep the £2,500 difference to lavish on the tin top car which, to my eye looks nicer with its curves unspoilt by what looks a little like a large rug laid on the roof :shock:
However, I think I know which car I would like to be traveling in on a hot day though 8)
Posted by: stu - 17 March 2009 21:58:48
[quote=Standard split]If a nice tidy split is, say for sale at £5,000 then it would be of no real surprise to see a very similar split of the same vintage but with a factory sunroof for sale at £7,500 :d
But having said that, I'm not a fan of sunroofs over tin tops, and would rather keep the £2,500 difference to lavish on the tin top car which, to my eye looks nicer with its curves unspoilt by what looks a little like a large rug laid on the roof :shock:
However, I think I know which car I would like to be traveling in on a hot day though 8)
[/quote]
thats exactly why i dont like ragtops too, it spoils the look of the roof & the lines in my eyes, like you say it looks like someones plonked a rug on the roof, but i must admit it is nice to be driving a ragtop on a hot sunny day with it fully open
Posted by: vintagevw - 18 March 2009 20:12:31
And what about verts? :wink: :lol:
Posted by: Standard split - 18 March 2009 20:20:58
Verts have a character all of their own. The window lines are much different from the saloon (less curvy and less deep) and really work well with the straight lines of the hood.
Early verts do look good, but I still think an early unspoiled saloon looks better :!:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 March 2009 21:09:29
You know what i think,don't you [ATTACH]2727[/Attach]
Posted by: stu - 18 March 2009 23:41:37
[quote='50 Karmann]You know what i think,don't you[/quote]
no? can you give us a clue? :lol:
Posted by: Standard split - 19 March 2009 19:15:12
Nah, it doesn't have that gorgeous split rear window – no contest as far as I'm concerned George :d
Posted by: stu - 19 March 2009 19:41:47
[quote=Standard split]Nah, it doesn't have that gorgeous split rear window – no contest as far as I'm concerned George :d [/quote]
plus it doesnt have any of the other rounded windows either, or the rounded roof, alot of the best parts of a beetle are lost on a vert, no offence! its still a nice car
Posted by: GKL 7 - 19 March 2009 19:58:15
:roll: [ATTACH]2731[/Attach]
Posted by: Standard split - 19 March 2009 20:28:23
These very early cabrios do look nice from the rear three quarter view, I don't think anyone would say otherwise. This is probably why you pictured yours at that angle George :!:
But then a split looks even nicer from the rear three quarter view (beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course).
However, a split also looks good from the front too (as does an oval), with the small nicely curved windscreen leading into the curved roofline, lost with late '57 Beetles on. The cabrio's screen is not so curvy, being more like that of the later rectangular window saloons and just does not look so old-fashioned.
As I said before though, these early Karmanns have a character of their own and the widow lines were cleverly designed to suit the hooded top :wink:
Posted by: mrsherbie - 19 March 2009 21:11:38
But with split kabs you get that yummy little sausage of a rear window instead! That surely has to be THE most cool single piece of VW glass ever made on any model full stop?! :d
[img]https://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/56205940_d166b15b4e.jpg[/img]
accessory dog.. :lol:
Posted by: stu - 19 March 2009 21:14:27
[quote=mrsherbie]But with split kabs you get that yummy little sausage of a rear window instead! That surely has to be THE most cool single piece of VW glass ever made on any model full stop?! :d [/quote]
no bcos you cant see shit out of it lol
Posted by: Standard split - 20 March 2009 09:14:41
[quote=mrsherbie]But with split kabs you get that yummy little sausage of a rear window instead! That surely has to be THE most cool single piece of VW glass ever made on any model full stop?! :d
No way – the split window is a real piece of art, and it sits so well above the centre line curve on the 'W' deck lid. This was the original intended design, the back of the cabrio is not :lol:
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 March 2009 20:52:47
[quote=stu]
no bcos you cant see shit out of it lol[/quote]
I can see you, red in the face with rage,STILL[u][/u] looking for an oval:lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by: stu - 20 March 2009 21:00:03
[quote='50 Karmann]
I can see you, red in the face with rage,STILL[u][/u] looking for an oval:lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote]
i must admit it is starting to drive me nuts, did you ask around? :d
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 March 2009 21:04:24
[quote=stu]
i must admit it is starting to drive me nuts, did you ask around? :d [/quote]
Yeah!they were really cheap aswell
But guess what....
They were all SUNROOFS:wink:
Posted by: stu - 20 March 2009 21:21:21
[quote='50 Karmann]
Yeah!they were really cheap aswell
But guess what....
lol, ok :lol:
They were all SUNROOFS:wink: [/quote]
Posted by: 61 Devon - 07 April 2009 13:30:45
Car still for sale, have just had the birth certificate from VW museum which confirms date of manufacture, and that the car is a 11G Deluxe Sunroof. Already knew it was correct but this information just proves it.
I have had a few exchange offers but nothing that has realy grabbed me, so make me an offer ????
And Please STU - for the love of god, do not add comment or add a reply. I find your comments unhelpful and not warranted by man or beast.
Posted by: Caledfryn - 07 April 2009 14:40:44
[quote=61 Devon]
And Please STU - for the love of god, do not add comment or add a reply. I find your comments unhelpful and not warranted by man or beast.[/quote]
I agree. If you don't like it, it's best not to comment, especially when the owner is on the same thread! :shock:
Have to say Si, if this had come up a little earlier I'd have put an offer in and bought ANOTHER VW from you! (Martin here - ex-'55 Split owner!)As it is I bought a '54 Rhd Oval (pics elsewhere on this forum somewhere!) to fill the gap left in the garage by the departure of the Split.
Posted by: 61 Devon - 07 April 2009 19:55:52
Hi Martin,
Fancy a trade ?
Si
Posted by: 61 Devon - 12 April 2009 20:50:58
Have been having a play with the engine to see if it will run.
New oil and filter, petrol pipes, disi cap, rotor arm, points and plugs.
Replaced the fuel tank and fuel added for good measure.
Put a new battery on, cranked over to get oil pressure, re-fitted the spark plugs and away she went ! :d
Engine runs sweet, not sure when it last run but some time around 87 from the battery code.
Have driven it in and out the garage to try the gearbox, brakes etc, seems OK. Brakes need looking at to get it back on the road.
Happy Easter !
Posted by: Olson - 14 April 2009 13:19:44
Beautiful car. Hope it goes to a good owner. 8)
Posted by: Caledfryn - 15 April 2009 01:37:02
[quote=61 Devon]Hi Martin,
Fancy a trade ?
Si[/quote]
Ooh Si! Don't tempt me!
To be honest, I got lucky with this one. Going to hang onto it for a while!
Should be at Stanford with it - call and say hi if you're about.
Posted by: 61 Devon - 19 April 2009 22:39:26
Have been trying some new wheels on the car. Have a look and let me know what you think.
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2235.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2234.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by: 69project - 20 April 2009 16:48:03
[quote=61 Devon]Have been trying some new wheels on the car. Have a look and let me know what you think.
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2235.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2234.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
no no no...lol!!!!
Posted by: GKL 7 - 20 April 2009 20:01:41
Look at the back,look at the front,look at the back,look at the front.
Yeah! you know the answer,get 'em off and keep it stock.
Posted by: 54 Gertie - 20 April 2009 20:03:49
[quote='50 Karmann]Look at the back,look at the front,look at the back,look at the front.
Yeah! you know the answer,get 'em off and keep it stock.[/quote]
Or at very least keep the OG wheels in the loft! :shock: :wink:
Posted by: stu - 20 April 2009 22:40:06
[quote=61 Devon]Have been trying some new wheels on the car. Have a look and let me know what you think.
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2235.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii207/61Devon/DSCF2234.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
are you serious??? lol
Posted by: 61 Devon - 25 April 2009 18:58:10
Have ordered all the brake parts, so thats the next job on the list.
With the way split prices are going up even Stu will be saying this car is cheap in another few months !
