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Standard split
14 years ago
Final comment from me:twisted:

Open YOUR eyes and look at your pictures!

I'm not saying that EVERY SINGLE Standard had semi-matt, I never have.

Yes, those cars you show here do have a gloss finish. Split windows and other Standards of course were not all semi-matt. Although war time and early post-war cars were usually semi-matt. Cars in general were mostly grey or black partly due to a shortage of paint colouring pigment during and after the war – did you know that? Even some of London's 'red' buses were painted all-over grey in the 1940's for this reason.

BUT on the gloss painted cars the shine, appearance, depth and finish is not tacky looking and forever lasting shine such as many modern paints today. You rarely see modern '70s on cars with flat paint. Even in the breaker's yard they still have that very shiny finish and often no rust.

The early gloss finishes had a much more pleasant 'natural' shine that wasn't as deep as today's paint. The finish as can be seen in your pictures was different to the paint you have used on your Standard. These early cars had to be buffed and polished regularly to keep their shine. Today it is difficult to get the correct looking paint finish for early cars. Health and Safety has now outlawed the use of cellulose paint. Ask a vintage car restoration specialist about the natural look of the old paints as opposed to the artificial look of today's 2-pack paints and the like.

The paint on your Standard looks modern, is modern and no matter how long you leave it outside it will always keep that 'plastic-looking' shine. This is a fact and that is that.

I've owned countless Beetles, many of them Standard models, not to mention other VWs, various early British cars, Tatras and even old London buses. I've had a lot of dealings with paint over the years for these vehicles. So please don't lecture to me and tell me to shut up, and do your homework:twisted:



Hopefully now when I say 'its toooo shiny' when refering to an early VW, you'll understand what I mean:wink:



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48REME
14 years ago

. Health and Safety has now outlawed the use of cellulose paint. Ask a vintage car restoration specialist about the natural look of the old paints as opposed to the artificial look of today's 2-pack paints and the like.
The paint on your Standard looks modern, is modern and no matter how long you leave it outside it will always keep that 'plastic-looking' shine. This is a fact and that is that.
I've owned countless Beetles, many of them Standard models, not to mention other VWs, various early British cars, Tatras and even old London buses. I've had a lot of dealings with paint over the years for these vehicles. So please don't lecture to me and tell me to shut up, and do your homework:twisted:

Standard split wrote:



The finish on my car (which you've never even seen and shouldn't comment on until you do) is the nearest thing to the correct shiny finish on post-1949 Standard models even though I totally agree that it was a different process used before and the shine of bygone days didn't have that almost wet lacquered look which you get today. Simple as that. I think anyway that everybody's bored with this subject, especially when your views on the subject are not based on historical fact but on personal preference. It may be why none of your cars actually sport a correct finish or colour, apart from your all-original 49. That is your choice but not a historically accurate one. I'd rather have my car finished and restored in a way that is closer to how it would have looked when originally built and that's my choice too. So sorry once again but Standard models were of a shiny finish whether you like it or not.
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Standard split
14 years ago


It may be why none of your cars actually sport a correct finish or colour

48REME wrote:


Not correct, some you've never seen, and more have a gloss finish than don't:o

apart from your all-original 49

48REME wrote:


You are right this time – it's a smashing old VW and my favourite of all Beetles as well as Rattletrap of course:o

So sorry once again but Standard models were of a shiny finish whether you like it or not.

48REME wrote:


I'm taking 'standard' models as all post 1948 cars which were usually gloss, this type of gloss paint as I have explained in my previous posting is unlike the modern paint you've got. This applies to the DeLuxe models too which of course were all gloss.


That is your choice but not a historically accurate one. I'd rather have my car finished and restored in a way that is closer to how it would have looked when originally built and that's my choice too

48REME wrote:


You paint is different, so you car is inaccurately restored, although as near as you were able to get with modern paint[-x

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pre67vw
14 years ago
This is going nowhere now.

Nicolas's car has a fantastic finish, very impressive, and I actually think it's probably pretty accurate for the time even though it's a modern 2k finish. I seem to remember that by the mid 50's they were no longer spraying the cars (it took too long to do) and had taken to a dipping process. Also, they were using enamel paints and not cellulose - cellulose does buff up to a great shine but loses it as the paint oxidises, enamel is pretty tough. Quite often when a car has been through a couple of resprays, you can chuck some paint stripper on and it will take everything off apart from the original paint. I have no doubt that a brand new car in the VW showrooms of this period would be very shiny, earlier cars that were a lot more hand built and hence sprayed would have a duller finish (but not matt).
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Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
Standard split
14 years ago


earlier cars that were a lot more hand built and hence sprayed would have a duller finish (but not matt).

pre67vw wrote:



I think that this is about right for the early gloss finish, and goes for all gloss painted Split Windows:wink:

Well put Rob – Hooray:!:

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Sunroof53
14 years ago
I thought the cars were only dipped at the primer stage .There is a video on here showing factory footage somewhere.Cellulose was used only for very early cars and was acrylic from there on.The type of paint VW used is not readily available. If you have spent a long time looking at aged faded Original paint 2K does look shiny but it does fade in much the same way .Its no use trying to compare a 50 year old painted car with one that has just been painted .
Here is a car that was resprayed with VW paint in the last ten years.

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Shiny ..Of course it is ,because its simply not aged (and very well looked after).I am sure Standard splits 49 would have looked like this back in 49 but 60 years later most things go a bit flat...
pre67vw
14 years ago

I thought the cars were only dipped at the primer stage.

Sunroof53 wrote:



That rings a bell actually now thinking about it...

Cellulose was used only for very early cars and was acrylic from there on.

Sunroof53 wrote:



Yep, acrylic enamel I believe.
Rob Amos
Happiness is a stock VW
Standard split
14 years ago
Lovely

Always fancied an original radio in my '49 split.

But it's so original and untouched I daren't fit one




Dont worry 50 Karmann will fit one of his when he buys it from you :twisted: :twisted:

Sunroof53 wrote:



50 Karman buy my '49?
He's got his hit man's bloody cat after my cat Geezer now. I'm expecting a tuft of black and white fur with a ransom note:shock:

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GKL 7
14 years ago
Isn't that kitten fantastic:d
I think the best way to judge the "degree of shine",John. Is probably to give the dash of your '49 a rub over and see what you think.Mind you,you won't do it,it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create.
Standard split
14 years ago

Isn't that kitten fantastic:d
I think the best way to judge the "degree of shine",John. Is probably to give the dash of your '49 a rub over and see what you think.Mind you,you won't do it,it'll wreck the patina you haven't worked so hard to create.

'50 Karmann wrote:



Kittens and cats are great:beer:

I'm not sure that Geezer will like me using him to buff the '49's dash though:?

Trouble is it'll take another 60 years for the shiny patch to dull back, then there's getting all the fur out the car:roll:



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54 Gertie
14 years ago
Give the '49 a go over with this stuff, brings the paint up really well :twisted:

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William
Standard split
14 years ago

Give the '49 a go over with this stuff, brings the paint up really well :twisted:

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54 Gertie wrote:



Tough on paint, kind on wood and ruins original 1949 VW's – Arghhhhhhhhhh:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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GKL 7
14 years ago
He's just bitter John because we won't show him the pictures:wink:
Standard split
14 years ago

He's just bitter John because we won't show him the pictures:wink:

'50 Karmann wrote:



He fails to realise just how elusive and camera shy the '49 is.

The '49 has to be coaxed out with nice things – certainly not paint stripper:wink:

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48REME
14 years ago

If you have spent a long time looking at aged faded Original paint 2K does look shiny but it does fade in much the same way .Its no use trying to compare a 50 year old painted car with one that has just been painted .
Shiny ..Of course it is ,because its simply not aged (and very well looked after).I am sure Standard splits 49 would have looked like this back in 49 but 60 years later most things go a bit flat...

Sunroof53 wrote:



Exactly. Time adds a certain patina which you can't invent or create from scratch straight away. All paints fade with time. My brother's hideous Renault 4 was repainted in 2K about 15 years ago. It not only has lost its shine but it's actually now completely matt, mostly because it lives outside on the street and was not really buffed regularly. On another note, I don't think these two 1950s period ladies are discussing how wrong the finish is on their SHINY (....note Mr. Standard split!) Standard split.:wink:  Volker+Käfer copy.jpg You have insufficient rights to see the content.
Standard split
14 years ago
I've given up with you Mr Carr-Foster. You've worn me down. I'm bored with you and your shiny car 😞

Rob please lock this thread:cry:

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harveypj
14 years ago

I thought the cars were only dipped at the primer stage
.

Sunroof53 wrote:



The colour coat on my 58 deluxe was deffinantly Sprayed, there are areas of thin/dry paint and in some cases the under coat never covered (this is particularly evident along the bottom edge of the doors).
However, where it did get full coverage I can only say 'it is very shiny' not at all that different from the now new external paint in fact.
If anyone ever spot us at a show your quite welcome to have a look.

I think the 'how shiny' debate must take into account the level of finnishing that has been done.
A factory new paint job 50-60 years ago would have had limited post paint polishing done, only an inspection/ hand polish and severe runs flatted/polished out.
It would not have had a full flat/polish or machine polish (mopped) that would result in the super flat shiny finish as on many repainted cars.
A well repainted car using modern paint ie. 'gun finish' will display a certain amount of orange peel and avoid the less accurate super shine of a further worked finish (the over restored syndrone of many concours level cars.
Stock......the new custom
48REME
14 years ago
Good because as it happens, I'm bored stiff with your comments, your Rattletrap, your 49 and all the wonderful cars you have which are so superior to everybody else's! We're even then!:d
BTW, it's Carr-Forster with an 'r'
harveypj
14 years ago


Nicolas's car has a fantastic finish, very impressive, and I actually think it's probably pretty accurate for the time even though it's a modern 2k finish.

pre67vw wrote:



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Stock......the new custom
48REME
14 years ago
And I love the finish on your car, Pete, it's an absolute peach and looks totally correct!:wink: Oops..we risk offending the Dull/Matt Police...:wink:
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