pre67vw
2009-08-12T21:52:53Z
Standard split wrote:



Pre '50 makes more sense '49 being a forties car. And I won't be able to show off my '49:cry:



:lol:

I'll concede up to June '49 - if it doesn't have the cheese triangle in the engine lid then it's too new :wink:
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Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T21:55:22Z
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Standard split
2009-08-12T21:56:08Z
pre67vw wrote:



:lol:

I'll concede up to June '49 - if it doesn't have the cheese triangle in the engine lid then it's too new :wink:



That's that then, mine's without the triangle, and I nearly posted it – never mind George:twisted:

Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook!
:d
The great Rattletrap debate: http://forums.pre67vw.co...aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
GKL 7
2009-08-12T21:58:40Z
pre67vw wrote:

if it doesn't have the cheese triangle in the engine lid then it's too new



Lucky escape John.Come on show them the most original'49 in the world.Set up it's own post
Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T21:59:09Z
Standard split wrote:



That's that then, mine's without the triangle, and I nearly posted it – never mind George:twisted:



Get posting those pics!! Will have to drop in for a cuppa soon if you're around. I'm always driving 'round the M25 and getting sick of the traffic.
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54 Gertie
2009-08-12T22:00:02Z
Standard split wrote:



That's that then, mine's without the triangle, and I nearly posted it – never mind George:twisted:



I bet it's only a 1303 with a fibreglass split window clip...
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Ovalbug
2009-08-12T22:01:20Z
Rich Oakley wrote:



Lovely find, but the fanshroud is '49 or later.



Oh dear, was convinced the 'shroud was original to the block as it is seamed and originally seems to have been finished in a battle-ship grey paint?
The air intake is covered in a very very coarse mesh also?
Can you please educate me in what makes it '49 or later, I'm really clueless when it comes to early stuff :lol:

Thanks

:wink:

Edited; is it the lack of a handle visible in the pics of your '47 that gives mine away?
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GKL 7
2009-08-12T22:02:30Z
54 Gertie wrote:



I bet it's only a 1303 with a fibreglass split window clip...



He's no mug.He won't fall for it that way.
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Standard split
2009-08-12T22:04:24Z
54 Gertie wrote:



I bet it's only a 1303 with a fibreglass split window clip...



Of course not – that's my '47:wink:

Rattletrap – the Volkswagen Beetle that has covered an incredible mileage equivalent to over 35 times around the planet :omg:
Running nifty since 1950… the King of Volkswagens:beer: Why not make friends with this famous little VW – he's on facebook!
:d
The great Rattletrap debate: http://forums.pre67vw.co...aspx?g=posts&t=16378 
Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T22:06:18Z
Ovalbug wrote:



Oh dear, was convinced the 'shroud was original to the block as it is seamed and originally seems to have been finished in a battle-ship grey paint?
The air intake is covered in a very very coarse mesh also?
Can you please educate me in what makes it '49 or later, I'm really clueless when it comes to early stuff :lol:

Thanks

:wink:

Edited; is it the lack of a handle visible in the pics of your '47 that gives mine away?



As Will says, the lack of the summer/winter 'thermostat' lever (see engine pics above). Can't remember when they discontinued this off the top of my head, but think it may have been July 15th 1948?
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Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T22:08:19Z
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Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T22:14:47Z
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Kev
2009-08-12T22:17:32Z
Ovalbug wrote:

This is the only old VW part I have :lol: .

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Bought this engine as a parts donor for my '53 ovals' engine thinking it was an early '50s unit, so was more than happy when clearing all the muck away from around the dynamo pedestal to find the date 21.3.47 there :d .
Yes it has a lot of later peripherals , but the case, fanshroud, heads and dizzy all appear to be '47 or older so I'm not complaining.

:wink:



Good score indeed ! does the fuel pump have a cog logo on it ?

Seeing as you only bought the engine as a parts donor you fancy selling me the crank pulley :wink: or I have a nice early oval (53-55) thin lipped pulley to trade.
Ovalbug
2009-08-12T23:20:03Z
nev wrote:



Good score indeed ! does the fuel pump have a cog logo on it ?

Seeing as you only bought the engine as a parts donor you fancy selling me the crank pulley :wink: or I have a nice early oval (53-55) thin lipped pulley to trade.



Interesting question re;fuel pump!
Have had a good look at the fuel pump on the factory engine in my '53 (for comparison purposes) and the '47 engine...
The '53 pump has a VW roundel on the manifold side of the pump and 6mm fuel lines, the '47? pump has 8mm fuel lines but absolutely no markings other than a series of CAST numbers, 08.72.8 on the top and 8.71 on the bottom.
Yes, I know the wags amongst you will say its a 1971/72 fuel pump :lol: , but the typeface of the numbers is very similar to the typeface of the date stamp of the engine?
Some parts of this engine are even older than '47 as it has a 343T dizzy which apparently dates from before the end of the war(??).
Don't mean to hi-jack this thread with tales of my Ebay junk :lol: , one day I will get the thing apart to see how many parts(if any) have a cog logo.....

:wink:
'63 Karmann Ghia RHD
'72 1302LS Karmann Cabrio RHD
Ovalbug
2009-08-12T23:24:11Z
Rich Oakley wrote:



As Will says, the lack of the summer/winter 'thermostat' lever (see engine pics above). Can't remember when they discontinued this off the top of my head, but think it may have been July 15th 1948?



Cheers, the engine is a real bitsa then :lol:
'63 Karmann Ghia RHD
'72 1302LS Karmann Cabrio RHD
Rich Oakley
2009-08-12T23:31:13Z
Ovalbug wrote:



Interesting question re;fuel pump!
Have had a good look at the fuel pump on the factory engine in my '53 (for comparison purposes) and the '47 engine...
The '53 pump has a VW roundel on the manifold side of the pump and 6mm fuel lines, the '47? pump has 8mm fuel lines but absolutely no markings other than a series of CAST numbers, 08.72.8 on the top and 8.71 on the bottom.
Yes, I know the wags amongst you will say its a 1971/72 fuel pump :lol: , but the typeface of the numbers is very similar to the typeface of the date stamp of the engine?
Some parts of this engine are even older than '47 as it has a 343T dizzy which apparently dates from before the end of the war(??).
Don't mean to hi-jack this thread with tales of my Ebay junk :lol: , one day I will get the thing apart to see how many parts(if any) have a cog logo.....

:wink:



I think you probably have a generic, later 25bhp fuel pump there. The 343T dizzy was used on a number of different engines, from what I can gather, for some period of time (war-time to early 1950s). They were used on KdFs also.
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Ovalbug
2009-08-12T23:40:38Z
Rich Oakley wrote:



I think you probably have a generic, later 25bhp fuel pump there. The 343T dizzy was used on a number of different engines, from what I can gather, for some period of time (war-time to early 1950s). They were used on KdFs also.



Thanks, yet more incorrect parts then :lol: .

:wink:
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GKL 7
2009-08-13T08:04:37Z
Rich Oakley wrote:

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Yes or if you were not going to buy it you could pass the details on:wink:
pre67vw
2009-08-13T11:22:39Z
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48REME
2009-08-13T12:13:00Z
Rich Oakley wrote:

It really ought to be pre-July '49 if we're going to be hardcore about it. I condsider splits made after this 'late models'.


I agree. If you're making an ultra-purist thread then it should stop at the end of banana bumpers and big logo hubcaps. Anything with grooved bumpers, (even late 49s still with triangular plate pressing and oval rear view mirror amongst other remaining early details) heralds the start of an era which went on up to 1952.
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