lee ivatt
2010-02-06T09:35:44Z
Not that I need any more, but Ive just bought this 57-60??? rag top.

As you know im a sucker for a project. and this one came up at an price too good to turn down.

Idea being I can sell all three and finally begin to build my dream type87 replica.

Anyway, sadly the car has been chopped about over the years, Dare I say it, (please dont shoot me, i didnt do it) It had a subaru impreza turbo engine fitted.

So the bulkhead has been cut about, the front apron and also sadly the dash. I suppose if you can call it a good side the work was done professionally and was owned buy once of the main mechanics for TSR VW drag racing. So although cut about it was at least done "right".

Anyway also the car is sitting on a chassis (117 68* ***) which I can date to april 1967, and also the chassis has been converted to full IRS rear suspension.

So as you can understand its a total bitza of a car at the moment. But nothing a welder and lots of patience can not sort out.

It would be nice to date the body, firstly just so i can know what year its from but also then I can decide if its worth trying to find a correct year chassis for it.

Its got an original Goldie 3 fold sunroof, i have no knowledge on these, but its a roof and has 3 folds in it is i guess its right:lol:

The Semaphores and small windows mean it has to be 60 or earlier I think.

The only other thing I thought may help are the door catch pressings, as I believe these changed at some point?

Any help would be appreciated, so I can decide what the best route is to take. Remember im only getting these 3 cars back on the road so I can build my dream split bug!!!

Thanks guys

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Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
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lee ivatt
2010-02-07T22:20:35Z
36 views, and no help:cry:

anyone got any ideas:?:
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
54 Gertie
2010-02-08T08:11:45Z
My best guess would be a European '60 model car.

Going by the semaphores, the two fold roof (correct for this period,), also in '58/'59 there were very distinctive drain tubes in the engine bay, which this has not got. So I think im right in saying that the car can only have been built between August '59 and July '60?




(EDIT: Is that a two fold? looks like it goes too far back but I cant see any signs of welding?)

William
2010-02-08T13:57:06Z
54 Gertie wrote:

Going by the semaphores, the two fold roof (correct for this period,), also in '58/'59 there were very distinctive drain tubes in the engine bay, which this has not got. So I think im right in saying that the car can only have been built between August '59 and July '60


Did Euro 60´s come with semaphores?
I had a 60´s rag-top sold in Sweden chassis no. 3114xxx and it did not have them.

/Ola

lee ivatt
2010-02-08T22:19:18Z
54 Gertie wrote:

My best guess would be a European '60 model car.

Going by the semaphores, the two fold roof (correct for this period,), also in '58/'59 there were very distinctive drain tubes in the engine bay, which this has not got. So I think im right in saying that the car can only have been built between August '59 and July '60?




(EDIT: Is that a two fold? looks like it goes too far back but I cant see any signs of welding?)



The sun roof is original, so there will not be any welding. I believe it to be a 3 fold goldie sunroof. supposed to be quite rare.

The sun roof pictue you can see is not the best shot of it. for a start its all pulled up to the front where it was strapped up for the journey home.

Do you have pictures of drain tubes? Problem is the cars been so cut about, I wouldnt feel confident dating it on this!

58 Convertible wrote:


Did Euro 60´s come with semaphores?
I had a 60´s rag-top sold in Sweden chassis no. 3114xxx and it did not have them.

/Ola



I know they phased them out in 59 and stopped in 1960, but i would not know the exact dates.

Anyone have any more thoughts on the door catch pressings, as im sure they are a good dating point, i remember some one saying they changed in 58 I think?
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
54 Gertie
2010-02-08T23:07:03Z
Anything Aug '55+ would have only come with a two fold ragtop as standard. I will try to find a photo of the drain tubes.
William
54 Gertie
2010-02-08T23:12:11Z
This photo shows the drain tubes, top right, and the same on the left.

Wont embed....

https://i12.photobucket....ermanlkmanx/DSC03754.jpg 

For this to have been altered it would have needed quite drastic surgery, more than fitting the Suburu lump even. :lol:
William
VW Stan
2010-02-09T07:28:00Z
If the front inner wings are original, the first year without the metal headlight wiring tubes was the 1960 model.
Does it have square push-button door handles?


Malc
It's hard to say what my girlfriend does for a living...

...She sells sea shells on the sea shore!
2010-02-11T17:22:33Z
I'd love to help, but my wife won't let me date....
dws :):wink:
lee ivatt
2010-02-13T18:29:39Z
VW Stan wrote:

If the front inner wings are original, the first year without the metal headlight wiring tubes was the 1960 model.
Does it have square push-button door handles?


Malc



Problem is the car has been so chopped about its difficult to tell.

Doors got stolen when it was at the paint shop, along with w-lid and long bonnet!:evil:

Ive bought a pair for doors, and these have square handles. Think they are 63?

People call the 53/4 ovals with split rear zwitters, which loosley translates to transvestite. But I think this car quallifies for the name far more, as its a very confused soul. haha:lol: .

Beggining to wonder if ill ever be able to date it properly:o

BavarianRescue wrote:

I'd love to help, but my wife won't let me date....
dws :):wink:



My sort of humor, i like :lol:
Past Restorations

1954 International Tractor-----1971 1200 Orange Beetle-----1985 Mk3 Escort S1 RS TURBO
1972 1600 VW Camper-----1969 MK1 Escort Mexico RS-----1949 Standard Beetle (incompleted)
1993 Escort Cosworth 4x4 350bhp---1970 1300 Orange Beetle---1971 Aston Martin DBS Vantage
1992 Mk Golf GTI 16v (2.8 VR6 conversion-----1982 MK3 Escort RS 1600i (restored twice!!)
1987 Sierra 3dr Cosworth to concourse--1968 1300 Red Beetle--1967 1500 Lotus White Beetle
1972 1200, Orange beetle (yes I like orange!)

Currently restoring

1958 old english white golge rag top--- 1992 mk3 Golf VR6
vwmike333
2010-03-07T14:29:48Z
I have a '59 euro ragtop that I'm restoring. It has the firewall raingutter, going all the way across the top seam, with the
downspouts for the plastic drain tubes. These removable tubes pass through holes in the side shelves to drain under the engine. Your car doesn't appear to have either of these, so it's later than mine, which is February 1959.
The semaphores were kept on some euro bugs until 1962, so it can't be older than that.
The headlight steel wiring conduit/drain tubes stopped in 60, so it can't be older than that.
The door latch pressing/4-hole hinges are the same on my '59.
My best guess is that you've got a late '59 to '60 body there.

Mike B.
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