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Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 13:40:39
Well, it's all finally going ahead...my Standard is undergoing transformation as it returns to its original shade of Reseda Green. Thanks to Kevin for confirming the colour match against his cabrio glovebox door. Here are a few pics of work in progress. Still a bit of Anthracite left on the wheels and hubcaps! [ATTACH]2647[/Attach] [ATTACH]2648[/Attach] [ATTACH]2649[/Attach] [ATTACH]2650[/Attach] [ATTACH]2651[/Attach]

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 13:40:39

Well, it's all finally going ahead...my Standard is undergoing transformation as it returns to its original shade of Reseda Green. Thanks to Kevin for confirming the colour match against his cabrio glovebox door. Here are a few pics of work in progress. Still a bit of Anthracite left on the wheels and hubcaps! [ATTACH]2647[/Attach] [ATTACH]2648[/Attach] [ATTACH]2649[/Attach] [ATTACH]2650[/Attach] [ATTACH]2651[/Attach]

Posted by: pre67vw - 04 March 2009 13:42:59
Wow, looks fantastic!!

Posted by: VW Stan - 04 March 2009 14:13:10
Looks great! :d Who are you using in the end? M

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 14:20:58
Do it in a semi-matt Nicolas :!: I love non-shiny Standards :shock: You have a very nice car all the same though :wink:

Posted by: stu - 04 March 2009 15:15:56
nice colour, i didnt know there were green standards?

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:29:24
[quote=VW Stan]Looks great! :d Who are you using in the end? M [/quote] A very nice chap just outside Ipswich called Dave Simpson. So far so good, very fast and thorough. I would reccomend him when you come to do your 58!

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:31:36
[quote=Standard split]Do it in a semi-matt Nicolas :!: I love non-shiny Standards :shock: You have a very nice car all the same though :wink: [/quote] But Standards were shiny when just out of the factory John, so we'll have to wait a few decades until this car fades with patina to get that matt look:wink: I know what you mean though, there's nothing nicer than a 'dull' old Standard:d

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:38:20
[quote=stu]nice colour, i didnt know there were green standards?[/quote] There were only L225 Jupiter Grey and L344 Rush Green Standards available, from 1958 to 1963. This one was apparently specially requested by the first owner in that Deluxe shade of green (L14 Reseda Green), which is why I simply had to return it to that colour scheme, if only because it's quite unique. The museum told me that there have been one or two Standards over the years which have originally been requested in Deluxe colours by customers but they are exceptions. I actually don't particularly like Reseda Green so I'm doing this more for the history of this car! :wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:38:20

[quote=stu]nice colour, i didnt know there were green standards?[/quote] There were only L225 Jupiter Grey and L344 Rush Green Standards available, from 1958 to 1963. This one was apparently specially requested by the first owner in that Deluxe shade of green (L14 Reseda Green), which is why I simply had to return it to that colour scheme, if only because it's quite unique. The museum told me that there have been one or two Standards over the years which have originally been requested in Deluxe colours by customers but they are exceptions. I actually don't particularly like Reseda Green so I'm doing this more for the history of this car! :wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 15:38:27
[quote][/quote]But Standards were shiny when just out of the factory John, so we'll have to wait a few decades until this car fades with patina to get that matt look [quote][/quote] You might have to bring it down to the cemetry and show me Nicolas :!:

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:40:45
[quote=Standard split] You might have to bring it down to the cemetry and show me Nicolas :!: [/quote] That would be nice:d

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 15:42:13
[quote][/quote]That would be nice[quote][/quote] Maybe not so nice for me :shock:

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 15:45:52
[quote=Standard split] Maybe not so nice for me :shock: [/quote] Why not?

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 15:48:48
Probably not so nice for you either, Nicolas :? You'll have to dig me up :cry:

Posted by: pre67vw - 04 March 2009 15:53:59
[quote=48REME] But Standards were shiny when just out of the factory John, so we'll have to wait a few decades until this car fades with patina to get that matt look:wink: I know what you mean though, there's nothing nicer than a 'dull' old Standard:d [/quote] Obviously they were shiny when they were new, but I think modern 2k paint has a much more glossy look than the original paints - 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry (except when I spray it, cos I'm not that good :lol:). But I still think it looks great Nicolas! :d

Posted by: pre67vw - 04 March 2009 15:53:59

[quote=48REME] But Standards were shiny when just out of the factory John, so we'll have to wait a few decades until this car fades with patina to get that matt look:wink: I know what you mean though, there's nothing nicer than a 'dull' old Standard:d [/quote] Obviously they were shiny when they were new, but I think modern 2k paint has a much more glossy look than the original paints - 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry (except when I spray it, cos I'm not that good :lol:). But I still think it looks great Nicolas! :d

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 16:00:52
[quote=Standard split]Probably not so nice for you either, Nicolas :? You'll have to dig me up :cry: [/quote] I think that when that day comes, you should buried inside a Standard, all dressed in grey and a three spoke steering wheel placed above the tombstone instead of a cross! Only joking!:d

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 16:03:47
[quote][/quote]modern 2k paint has a much more glossy look than the original paints - 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry[quote][/quote] That was my point 8) It will take so long for for the modern paint to dull-down, most of us will have passed away. My blue Standard was done in 2-pack in the late '80s, and despite my efforts to dull it, its still shiny :x

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 16:05:35
[quote][/quote]I think that when that day comes, you should buried inside a Standard, all dressed in grey and a three spoke steering wheel placed above the tombstone instead of a cross![quote][/quote] I don't know, I like the idea :beer:

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 16:20:25
[quote][/quote] 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry (except when I spray it, cos I'm not that good )[quote][/quote] Fancy painting an early '47 :?:

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 16:52:53
Do you want to have your 47 repainted? It think it looks really nice with that matt patina doesn't it?

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 16:54:39
[quote=pre67vw] Obviously they were shiny when they were new, but I think modern 2k paint has a much more glossy look than the original paints - 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry (except when I spray it, cos I'm not that good :lol:). But I still think it looks great Nicolas! :d [/quote] I might have to send my car to the hot dry Arizona desert when it's finished and leave it there in some gas station yard for a decade or so and then it will look right!:d

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 16:54:39

[quote=pre67vw] Obviously they were shiny when they were new, but I think modern 2k paint has a much more glossy look than the original paints - 2k paint still looks wet when it's dry (except when I spray it, cos I'm not that good :lol:). But I still think it looks great Nicolas! :d [/quote] I might have to send my car to the hot dry Arizona desert when it's finished and leave it there in some gas station yard for a decade or so and then it will look right!:d

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 17:40:09
[quote][/quote]Do you want to have your 47 repainted? It think it looks really nice with that matt patina doesn't it?[quote][/quote] The paint is old, but not the original. It is also a gloss, which even after decades still retains some shine. These early post-war cars were never shiny. I love the semi-matt finish they had :wink: Also, don't forget the Standard as such came along with the introduction in 1949 of the De Luxe. The Standards in common with the De Luxe had reasonably glossy paint.

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 17:40:09

[quote][/quote]Do you want to have your 47 repainted? It think it looks really nice with that matt patina doesn't it?[quote][/quote] The paint is old, but not the original. It is also a gloss, which even after decades still retains some shine. These early post-war cars were never shiny. I love the semi-matt finish they had :wink: Also, don't forget the Standard as such came along with the introduction in 1949 of the De Luxe. The Standards in common with the De Luxe had reasonably glossy paint.

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 18:58:52
[quote=Standard split] These early post-war cars were never shiny. I love the semi-matt finish they had :wink: Also, don't forget the Standard as such came along with the introduction in 1949 of the De Luxe. The Standards in common with the De Luxe had reasonably glossy paint. [/quote] It depends...where is your black 1947 from? If it's German then it would have a semi-matt or satin finish with painted bumpers to match. But if it was destined for the export market (which may be the case since your banana bumpers are chromed if I remember well), then it would have a more glossy finish. Look at this rather shiny early car in Holland. You can disregard the strange bumper combination and see that it's still early, with its raised number plate pressing, appropriate taillight rings and large VW hubcap logos. I know that the large logos were for 1948 onwards cars but I doubt that a 1947 in Holland would have been satin and not gloss. It's a bit of a grey area historically and I might be wrong but I'm sure I've seen this scenario in photos before. [ATTACH]2655[/Attach]

Posted by: 48REME - 04 March 2009 18:58:52

[quote=Standard split] These early post-war cars were never shiny. I love the semi-matt finish they had :wink: Also, don't forget the Standard as such came along with the introduction in 1949 of the De Luxe. The Standards in common with the De Luxe had reasonably glossy paint. [/quote] It depends...where is your black 1947 from? If it's German then it would have a semi-matt or satin finish with painted bumpers to match. But if it was destined for the export market (which may be the case since your banana bumpers are chromed if I remember well), then it would have a more glossy finish. Look at this rather shiny early car in Holland. You can disregard the strange bumper combination and see that it's still early, with its raised number plate pressing, appropriate taillight rings and large VW hubcap logos. I know that the large logos were for 1948 onwards cars but I doubt that a 1947 in Holland would have been satin and not gloss. It's a bit of a grey area historically and I might be wrong but I'm sure I've seen this scenario in photos before. [ATTACH]2655[/Attach]

Posted by: mrsherbie - 04 March 2009 19:53:42
I admit I thought you were nuts redoing it just to change the colour! but since seeing the green standard JD posted I can see why, its really lovely! :d

Posted by: 69project - 04 March 2009 20:00:12
very nice!!! when i first saw standard models i didnt get the appeal/rareness,now my view has changed immensely hope it all pans out well

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 20:14:08
Very interesting picture, Nicolas. These early Beetle always look so interesting. I see your point, but I don't know the detailed history of my '47. It has however been in the UK for a long time. When I spoke to the previous owner some 12 years ago he informed me that it had come to the UK from Germany in the early 1960s. It was found abandoned in London some years later when he then acquired it. (What a find that would make today!). The bumpers are in very good condition, so they have probably been chromed at a much later date, and may well have been originally painted. So from this info I would expect my car to be the home market semi-matt finish.

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 20:14:08

Very interesting picture, Nicolas. These early Beetle always look so interesting. I see your point, but I don't know the detailed history of my '47. It has however been in the UK for a long time. When I spoke to the previous owner some 12 years ago he informed me that it had come to the UK from Germany in the early 1960s. It was found abandoned in London some years later when he then acquired it. (What a find that would make today!). The bumpers are in very good condition, so they have probably been chromed at a much later date, and may well have been originally painted. So from this info I would expect my car to be the home market semi-matt finish.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 March 2009 20:19:19
[quote=Standard split]...but I don't know the detailed history of my '47. It has however been in the UK for a long time. [/quote] Imported into the UK from Europe in 1950. Found in a scrapyard in 1962.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 March 2009 20:20:25
Nicolas, your car looks fantastic. Can't wait to see it finished. It's a pity the previous owner did not select the correct colour when he restored it!

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 20:27:42
[quote][/quote]Imported into the UK from Europe in 1950. Found in a scrapyard in 1962.[quote][/quote] Are you sure its been here THAT long Rich:shock: We are talking about the same car? Presumably the scrap yard was in the London area. Would 1950 be before Colborne's 1947 VW 'JLT 420' arrived here:?:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 March 2009 20:30:33
[quote=Standard split]Imported into the UK from Europe in 1950. Found in a scrapyard in 1962. Are you sure its been here THAT long Rich:shock: We are talking about the same car? Presumably the scrap yard was in the London area. Would 1950 be before Colborne's 1947 VW 'JLT 420' arrived here:?: [/quote] Colbourne's arrived in the UK in May 1948. According to my records, your car has been here since 50/51. Your car was found in a scrapyard local (I think) to where Tony lives. I don't know where Tony lives, but I believe you have spoken to him.

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 March 2009 20:30:33

[quote=Standard split]Imported into the UK from Europe in 1950. Found in a scrapyard in 1962. Are you sure its been here THAT long Rich:shock: We are talking about the same car? Presumably the scrap yard was in the London area. Would 1950 be before Colborne's 1947 VW 'JLT 420' arrived here:?: [/quote] Colbourne's arrived in the UK in May 1948. According to my records, your car has been here since 50/51. Your car was found in a scrapyard local (I think) to where Tony lives. I don't know where Tony lives, but I believe you have spoken to him.

Posted by: mrsherbie - 04 March 2009 20:34:32
[quote=Standard split]Would 1950 be before Colborne's 1947 VW 'JLT 420' arrived here:?: [/quote] And we thought discussing rattletrap was opening a can of worms! :lol: So you live in the old car cemetery while we have the old car garden, phew! thats lucky! I think I prefer the idea of living in a garden! :shock: :lol:

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 21:01:13
[quote][/quote]Your car was found in a scrapyard local (I think) to where Tony lives. I don't know where Tony lives, but I believe you have spoken to him.[quote][/quote] I did speak to Tony at the time I got the car over 12 years ago. I suppose being in a scrap yard counts as abandoned. If the find was near where he lives then it may well have been in London like he said. I think he kept it all those years unused, and judging by all the original metal and panels this was probably the case. Having said that, I haven't done much with it in the last 12 years:roll:

Posted by: Standard split - 04 March 2009 21:01:13

[quote][/quote]Your car was found in a scrapyard local (I think) to where Tony lives. I don't know where Tony lives, but I believe you have spoken to him.[quote][/quote] I did speak to Tony at the time I got the car over 12 years ago. I suppose being in a scrap yard counts as abandoned. If the find was near where he lives then it may well have been in London like he said. I think he kept it all those years unused, and judging by all the original metal and panels this was probably the case. Having said that, I haven't done much with it in the last 12 years:roll:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 04 March 2009 22:17:58
[quote=Standard split] Having said that, I haven't done much with it in the last 12 years:roll: [/quote] Far be it from me to tell you what to do with your cars, but it would certainly be nice to see the '47 and the '49 roadworthy again. ;) Have you still got just the one Routemaster?

Posted by: Standard split - 05 March 2009 09:12:37
One Routemaster is more than enough :!: Still have the two Tatras (my 1938 Tatra 97 Beetle look-alike is my avatar, left) as well as all the Beetles. '49 would go back on the road very easily – just a service – its that good, cable brakes still work okay, no rotted out hydrualics to replace 8) : '47 Needs more effort :roll: How do you know about the '47s history Rich, word of mouth or some documented info:?:

Posted by: Standard split - 05 March 2009 09:12:37

One Routemaster is more than enough :!: Still have the two Tatras (my 1938 Tatra 97 Beetle look-alike is my avatar, left) as well as all the Beetles. '49 would go back on the road very easily – just a service – its that good, cable brakes still work okay, no rotted out hydrualics to replace 8) : '47 Needs more effort :roll: How do you know about the '47s history Rich, word of mouth or some documented info:?:

Posted by: 48REME - 05 March 2009 11:39:56
[quote=Standard split] Having said that, I haven't done much with it in the last 12 years:roll: [/quote] Didn't you buy it from an old museum collection that was being auctioned off, John? If so, I wonder how it made its way there from the scrapyard. Funny how some gems manage to survive and be resurrected from near death.

Posted by: Standard split - 05 March 2009 14:18:22
The owner of the private museum collection actually rescued it from the scrap yard I believe. Rich may know otherwise :?:

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 05 March 2009 16:20:01
[quote=Standard split]The owner of the private museum collection actually rescued it from the scrap yard I believe. Rich may know otherwise :?: [/quote] That's correct. I don't know much else about the car other than what I've already posted.

Posted by: GKL 7 - 05 March 2009 18:06:29
I remember someone trying to outbid himself at the auction of this car Eh! John:wink:

Posted by: GKL 7 - 05 March 2009 18:10:05
NICK,I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAD. But i must say,GOOD decision. It looked lovely before but that is soooo much nicer.

Posted by: 48REME - 05 March 2009 19:12:51
[quote='50 Karmann]NICK,I THOUGHT YOU WERE MAD. But i must say,GOOD decision. It looked lovely before but that is soooo much nicer.[/quote] ...and more importantly (to me at least), more correct! thanks... but now I can't wait to see it finished. I'm getting more progress pics tomorrow I think!:p

Posted by: stu - 10 March 2009 22:03:26
[quote=48REME] There were only L225 Jupiter Grey and L344 Rush Green Standards available, from 1958 to 1963. This one was apparently specially requested by the first owner in that Deluxe shade of green (L14 Reseda Green), which is why I simply had to return it to that colour scheme, if only because it's quite unique. The museum told me that there have been one or two Standards over the years which have originally been requested in Deluxe colours by customers but they are exceptions. I actually don't particularly like Reseda Green so I'm doing this more for the history of this car! :wink: [/quote] i like it, it reminds me of pastel green

Posted by: stu - 10 March 2009 22:03:26

[quote=48REME] There were only L225 Jupiter Grey and L344 Rush Green Standards available, from 1958 to 1963. This one was apparently specially requested by the first owner in that Deluxe shade of green (L14 Reseda Green), which is why I simply had to return it to that colour scheme, if only because it's quite unique. The museum told me that there have been one or two Standards over the years which have originally been requested in Deluxe colours by customers but they are exceptions. I actually don't particularly like Reseda Green so I'm doing this more for the history of this car! :wink: [/quote] i like it, it reminds me of pastel green

Posted by: 48REME - 12 March 2009 13:54:33
Nearly finished...with two-tone wheel scheme of L14 Reseda and L244 Moss Greens. Dave has really done a very nice job!:beer: [ATTACH]2713[/Attach] [ATTACH]2714[/Attach] [ATTACH]2715[/Attach]

Posted by: harveypj - 12 March 2009 17:56:50
I love the colour. car looks fantastic.

Posted by: eleazar - 17 March 2009 16:00:22
wow , excelente , saludos

Posted by: Rich Oakley - 17 March 2009 20:57:29
Next steps Nicolas? [img]https://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/funkmasterred/Ninove%2009/101_0247.jpg[/img]

Posted by: 48REME - 18 March 2009 14:08:43
Well.....I think I prefer my Standards to be less fun, Richard! Still, a nice 60 with push-button door handles nevertheless. Where did you find this one?

Posted by: GKL 7 - 18 March 2009 18:41:55
[quote=Rich Oakley]Next steps Nicolas? [img]https://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/funkmasterred/Ninove%2009/101_0247.jpg[/img][/quote] Can never understand a man who puts accessories on a Standard.

Posted by: Standard split - 18 March 2009 18:54:31
[quote='50 Karmann] Can never understand a man who puts accessories on a Standard.[/quote] So true, a Standard really should be as intended, just what is needed to make it a car. A Standard looks ridiculous when all it has to hold the seats in place are a couple of wing nuts, (which is nice though), and then a load of unnecessary items fitted to it:!: The Standard being the true People's Car too :wink:

Posted by: Standard split - 18 March 2009 18:54:31

[quote='50 Karmann] Can never understand a man who puts accessories on a Standard.[/quote] So true, a Standard really should be as intended, just what is needed to make it a car. A Standard looks ridiculous when all it has to hold the seats in place are a couple of wing nuts, (which is nice though), and then a load of unnecessary items fitted to it:!: The Standard being the true People's Car too :wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 18 March 2009 19:19:04
[quote=Standard split] So true, a Standard really should be as intended, just what is needed to make it a car. A Standard looks ridiculous when all it has to hold the seats in place are a couple of wing nuts, (which is nice though), and then a load of unnecessary items fitted to it:!: The Standard being the true People's Car too :wink: [/quote] Agreed...I don't even like radios in Standards. I'm glad my blanking panel was not removed for a radio. Colour scheme on this 60 is slightly wrong: bumpers, hubcaps and handles need to be L226 Silver Grey and the outer wheel rims, L? Slate Grey. Wiper bases should be black and black logos should be painted on hubcaps. There you go...the result of all my homework on early square window Standards! :wink: Still, I wouldn't mind seeing that one some day. It could be easily rectified and worth the effort. I only know of 3 other from that early 1960 period before peanuts replaced the semaphores.:wink:

Posted by: 48REME - 18 March 2009 19:19:04

[quote=Standard split] So true, a Standard really should be as intended, just what is needed to make it a car. A Standard looks ridiculous when all it has to hold the seats in place are a couple of wing nuts, (which is nice though), and then a load of unnecessary items fitted to it:!: The Standard being the true People's Car too :wink: [/quote] Agreed...I don't even like radios in Standards. I'm glad my blanking panel was not removed for a radio. Colour scheme on this 60 is slightly wrong: bumpers, hubcaps and handles need to be L226 Silver Grey and the outer wheel rims, L? Slate Grey. Wiper bases should be black and black logos should be painted on hubcaps. There you go...the result of all my homework on early square window Standards! :wink: Still, I wouldn't mind seeing that one some day. It could be easily rectified and worth the effort. I only know of 3 other from that early 1960 period before peanuts replaced the semaphores.:wink:

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