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#1 Posted : 15 November 2010 19:31:34(UTC)
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I have this question:

As you all know, I love Hebmüllers type 14a beetles. I am looking for one since the animals were still abble to talk.
Now due to the low prices and overload on advertises for “hebs for sale” I did not buy such a car yet.. In most cases the color was not my favorit color or the price was ridiculous low…

Now I was wondering : If I made myself such a car, like they did 62 years ago, with self educated coach built technique , with hand forming tools like in the old days to create a type 14a copy as accurate as possible,with bad weldings like they did years ago, with bad painting and bad doorsag, could I still post here in the coachbuilt forum or will I be banned to other places.

So my question is: What if?

Let me know what you think of it before I get my hammer and dolly.

Greets Peter

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#2 Posted : 15 November 2010 20:49:00(UTC)
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They weren´t hand formed back then either.
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#3 Posted : 15 November 2010 21:05:36(UTC)
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They weren´t hand formed back then either.

The first ones were....all made by hand. Only after the fire the press was used to form the engine covers.
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2010 21:14:49(UTC)
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The first ones were....all made by hand. Only after the fire the press was used to form the engine covers.


Seriously?! They hand beat those lids?
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2010 10:58:45(UTC)
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do it of you haven't don it yet Wink Blink

.In most cases the color was not my favorit color or the price was ridiculous low…
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2010 18:34:03(UTC)
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I know, you`re an artist !! Can`t wait to see you put the hammer down !! Wink You can do it !!!! Beer

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#7 Posted : 16 November 2010 18:50:00(UTC)
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Seriously?! They hand beat those lids?

Actualy not, the first one were, then the pre production models were assembled out of several pieces and welded together. Not sure if they were cut up parts from front but obviously they were new parts in it. They certain started with a split decklid.

Actualy aal the parts of a Type 14a are simple to make....cut, bend, twist and hammer them in formLaugh . The complexe forms are mostly made out of several simple partsIdea .
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2010 19:44:47(UTC)
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see the weld? Blink
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Actualy not, the first one were, then the pre production models were assembled out of several pieces and welded together. Not sure if they were cut up parts from front but obviously they were new parts in it. They certain started with a split decklid.

Actualy aal the parts of a Type 14a are simple to make....cut, bend, twist and hammer them in formLaugh . The complexe forms are mostly made out of several simple partsIdea .


"Simple to make"?!? Blink
Simple to make if you are a skilled metal worker and have access to an English wheel.

I admire that you want to do this, but I´m sure you don´t want to underestimate how difficult it will be.

Interesting to see that they were originally welded like that.
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2010 23:14:57(UTC)
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zelensis61 wrote:
I have this question:

Now I was wondering : If I made myself such a car, like they did 62 years ago, with self educated coach built technique , with hand forming tools like in the old days to create a type 14a copy as accurate as possible,with bad weldings like they did years ago, with bad painting and bad doorsag, could I still post here in the coachbuilt forum or will I be banned to other places.



Well...I think the answer is very easy. You will end building a great looking reproduction of a Type 14A. And will have to be excluded from any type of original Hebmuller-gathering..

Now...if you had a chassis number and a history to start it off with...you would be "reconstructing" a Type 14A....and then you would be allowed into the central square in Hessisch.

But again....this is the "axe and handle"-debate which has now definitive answers..
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#11 Posted : 17 November 2010 16:56:01(UTC)
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Yes Peter, the times that people phoned you to ask if you would like to buy a (complete) Hebmuller for €7.500,- are defenitely behind us!!! Blushing
I think I was (one of) the last!RollEyes
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#12 Posted : 17 November 2010 17:12:37(UTC)
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the times that people phoned you to ask if you would like to buy a (complete) Hebmuller for €7.500,- are defenitely behind us!!! Blushing



How much?? I didn't realise they were that expensive!!

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#13 Posted : 17 November 2010 18:44:17(UTC)
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Back in 1998!!!

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#14 Posted : 17 November 2010 19:46:19(UTC)
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Back in 1998!!!

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I got an offer for one at 10.000 Euro 5 years ago, sadly the color was not my favorit. And I was the second one to call the phone nr of the seller.Evil or Very Mad

Well it seems that opinions are different as I expected.
Most say go for it and some say I will be banned forever....Well, I need to think it over again before I start with something.
I'll give up on searching one to buy for myself...I'll never find one in my favorite color...Orange Laugh
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#15 Posted : 17 November 2010 23:03:38(UTC)
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Waw Peter, a Hebhmuller coupé!!Blink
And you did not buy that? You must be very in love with your money, otherwise you bought it straight away, or not?Laugh Laugh

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Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of BondoLaugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh
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Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of BondoLaugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh


"What if a Hebmüller style type 14A is made from bondo?"BigGrin
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#18 Posted : 18 November 2010 09:18:12(UTC)
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"What if a Hebmüller style type 14A is made from bondo?"BigGrin



If that's OK,Peter could get some expert help.Et can't be far away,Belgium is not the biggest country.Twisted Evil

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#19 Posted : 18 November 2010 09:34:27(UTC)
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Peter is this a picture of Et's heb you used to show JD the welds???
I ask, because i see it is full of BondoLaugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh


Haha George, what kind of comedian you are?!?Laugh
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As you can see on pic below this isn't a proper way to attach things!Blink
I didn't do it,Shame on you
my Belgian mechanic didn't do it!Shame on you
Who did it than?Crying
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The man who did it knows it but he won't tell itBlink and the man or men who are resposable for it maybe don't know it!!RollEyes
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#20 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:26:50(UTC)
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It wasn't me either.But i could help you put it right.BigGrin
What are those bolts for Et,did you say it was for the pump or something for your gearbox??Shame,because the holes will need welding and then the pan repainting and then.....Oh! we may aswell just restore the whole carWink

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