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I think I have made a mistake...
Hello, guy's.
Hebmullers with cloth seats ( standard)had clamps to hold the seats.
Hebmullers with leather or simili leather seats ( deluxe ) had....rails.
I am not sure about the chrome handle but it might be correct.

According to my latest info that I have got and rechecked it in a small documentation source,
I must admit that about the seats in a Heb I have miss informed you guy's.
The chassis from hebs were delivered to Hebmuller without seat rails. The rails were delivered to Hebmuller separatly, The seatframes are all deluxe versions but some made in cloth, some in simili leather.

That was written in the contract between Hebmuller and Volkswagen Wolfsburg 😎 and other stuff.
I have seen a copy of that document but can not show it as I was not allowed to take a copy or photo.:cry: :cry: :cry: About writing over the stuff with ordonary paper and pen was not mentioned :idea: and I can write rather fast. Sad thing I have trouble to read it myself cause of this fast writing.:lol: :roll: ..?

There was also a complain from Hebmuller to deliver the chassis with the rails welded on from the factory and with the steering assembly in one shipment.
This because they have to weld them on a painted chassis and to avoid damadge when unloading the chassis from the train without steering assembley.

If you have a look at the pict where some chassis are towed at the hebmuller factory you see at the last car, next to the tunnel a rail on the chassis, however there are no steeringwheels in place. The pict I have is way to big to post here. If I make it smaller you can hardly see it.
In the Hebmuller book on page 93 you see the first Heb on the official fotoshoot. You see the ivory knob to adjust the seats in front of the seatframe.
It sure look like that to me.
It is possible that some cars were made with the seat clamps, Not much hebs have their original floorpanhalfs after 60 years.

I hope I made that clear now, altough it stays unclear wich car is original with clamps. and sorry for misinformations ...I have mut it right now.

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Nope, mine are standard deluxe ones!:lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

It seems any area regarding a Hebmuller is very GREY.

Thanks Peter for helping us in this topic.

So that means that Hebmullers with clamp bolts could have had the floor pans replaced once in a while. As you said, lots of things could have happened during almost 60 years.

Thomas

HELPING US ????
He's driving me crazy :lol:
All seats are correct ,standard, deluxe, leather,cloth !
Don't forget Hebmullers are the most bad VW's ever build !:roll:
But I would like to own one of these bad VW's:lol:

Guido

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Exactly my thoughts Guido.
I think they were just thrown together with what ever was available.
But very disireable anyway.

HALLELUJA!!! :shock:
ONE OF THEM IS MINE!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

:twisted: ET

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Yes , but i think yours has the wrong seats !:roll:

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Hello again.
Please take notice that I do not know it for 100 %.
The information that I have is from the early days of the construction.:!:

I am not god, I was not born when the car was made, I do not own a heb and I do not have a glass bowl to look in the past of future.:lol:
Et, If you think your seats are correct for your car, put them in the car and drive it.
There are not much people I know that will point out that your seats are not correct,
If they are period correct it is ok.

Greetings,

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You may have a point there but ET thinks that it is better to have one Hebmuller with wrong seats ......
..... than to have no Hebmuller and a pair of good seats!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

:twisted: ET


ps Everybody agreed?

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You weren't saying that six months ago when you were pulling that Dutch Bondo out of it.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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We have them on our 50 deluxe sunroof, but not my deluxe 50, sorry not very helpful as not Heb though.

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Regarding the rails for the seats on Hebmuller. I have taken some photos today of the original floorpan of the Heb # 410. I have noticed some interesting things. The rail closed to the edge of the floorpan seems to be raised. It is 40 mm high and the rail on the opposite side is 30 mm. There were also four buttons, maybe for the floor mat. A rubber piece were attatched were the wall under the seat normally meets the floor.

Have you guys seen this on any other Hebmuller?

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Regarding this picture of the higher rail on the driver side, I found a very interesting info in an old copy of factory notes that I have.
It says that the rail on the driver side was raised 15 mm at ch.nr 128 116 for Hebmullers.
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I have copies of papers that where sended between VW and Hebmüller.
Here is a part of a list of imperfect details that where found by VW on a car that was
checked by them after it was made at Hebmüller. Car #44 made in late june 1949.
The list is dated 16th july 1949.
You see they say: "left seat is not gliding"



That was quite early in the production and that car had seats with rails.
I can´t immagine they went back to the standard bolts.
Everything on the Heb was export model specific. Why should they use the standard seats?
Has anybody a Heb with its original floor that has wingnut fixed seats? I would not expect that.

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No answeres? So nobody has a Heb with standard style seat bolts?
Well, then there might have never been some?

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I guess no one has a standard Heb... :wink: :lol:

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